Originally Posted by goats
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Agreed, but that will almost certainly mean increased taxes, will people vote for any party that runs on a ticket of taking more of their money?
If (and it's a big if) it is communicated properly, honestly, and fairly by any party and politician then there is some hope. These candid talks and discussions need to take place. The public needs to be told that healthcare is a priority. This doesn't mean just chucking money at the NHS, it means honestly discussing and recognising that all services and training has to be joined up. Money has to be made available and even small increases in taxation will help.
The current government, in my view, have done untold damage to the credibility of politicians and the key strategy for any opposition has to be from a point of honesty and treating the public as adults.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...ocations=GB-DE
Couple of things, the data's 2 years old and in my view doesn't address the 'types' of physicians needed e.g. I'm pretty sure the spike in the graph in 2000 was a massive increase/influx of GPs? The number of GPs and other Drs is dropping because of Brexit and Covid stress-related issues now and over the last 2 years of the pandemic, I would expect this graph to plummet (of course I could be wrong).
I'm not convinced that physician is a good term when planning resources either.
This is the way forward, but unfortunately I suspect that most politicians will think that if the NHS survived this pandemic then it can survive when it’s over, with no need with further investment.
well another worry for the medical profession is the mandate in England that customer facing roles within the NHS will all need to be fully vaccinated by April the 1;st 2022 , Depending on the news outlet you read currently that stands at between 80,000 to 120,000 front line NHS staff in England .Not sure that applies in Wales at the minute ?
Great post mate. Sadly the response to Covid is (in my opinion) now causing more long term damage to lives than the virus itself ever did. Completely disproportionate response.
Frustrating though it is that I can’t go here and can’t do this or that, I’d rather be under a government that prepares than one that crosses its fingers and hopes.
If this was a flu pandemic with the same data, can you really see the UK Government's taking this kind of action. I cant. It would be lucky to get a mention.
This virus hits different people in different ways.
My daughter and I had covin last Jan - I thought it was just a winter cold, my daughter had it only slightly worse.
But her boyfriend also had it, and started to have trouble breathing, was on the verge of going into hospital before he started recovering.
There were a load of hospital admissions back then and deaths were mounting up.
Yes, the omicron mutation appears to be less serious, but people have died with it.
But while seemingly having less serious symptoms, it seems to be far more transmittable - and a high trandmission rate means it is more likely to mutate further - into what? 80% fatality maybe?
We'd all be thanking Duckford for his cautious approach then.
We need EVERYBODY to get vaccinated to stop this- and that means "third world" countries, as well as the UK, or further mutations are inevitable, and one of those mutations could be the nightmare that effectively ends civilisation.
Rant over.
yes i agree effects people in different ways
I had it last month and luckily had sod all wrong with me just aching limbs for 1 day a bit sleepy and a slight sore throat . had to isolate for 10 days and didn't see a single soul for 12 days . Not complaining as lots of people have it alot worse
as for everyone to get vaccinated worldwide i feel thats a tall order but to say to end civilisation is a bit extreme .
There are some countries dealing with it better than others check out Japan for example
The biggest cruise ship in the world royal caribbean grandeur a few days ago had 55 cases of covid on board out of a total of fully vaccinated 6,000 people according to the cruise line .
How can a fully vaccinated population get any covid positives if everyone on board is vaccinated and tested before boarding ? I don't get it
i won't post a link as i will get accused of all sorts . google it yourself
That's approx. 0.9% of the ship's pop. which is actually really good for something that isn't a clinical trial, uncontrolled, and where people can lie. Plus, you'd need to factor in false +ves & false -ves if they're using LF tests. Increase those figures by log factors and if that was the UK pop of say approx. 60M then that's only around 540,000 +ves. You're actually arguing FOR vaccination without realising it. Expand those figures further to the number of likely fatalities and the figures are even better. Conclusion = vaccinations good.
thanks for response citizen .
the only take on that how the hell can anyone lie about boarding a ship without a PCR test and fully jabbed ? The protocols wouldn't allow that
In terms of language used i would expect 100 per cent yield going in and 100 per cent yield coming out which in terms of six sigma is 3.4 defects per 1 million opportunities
A six sigma process is one in which 99.99966% of all opportunities to produce some feature of a part are statistically expected to be free of defects a defined measurement used in engineering
lets hope its a good vaccine !
Hey Moz, I do understand the confusion. I don't know the answer as to how people could lie in this scenario, but it has to factored in. Maybe the ship's cat brought it onboard? I'm joking. But you can't extrapolate the precision data from an unprecise trial. 100% yields can't really apply to efficacy i.e. the efficacy of the vaccine. For example, some of those vaccines will fall within an efficacy/potency level and some will fall outside. I'd have to look at Pharmacopeia guidelines to check levels for these but they will exist and won't be of the engineering levels of defects. Then, for example, someone may have had a vaccine, it's been recorded as them having a vaccine, but they didn't get the full dose because of whatever factors contributed to that. These are small but not impossible.
In a controlled clinical trial, everything would be checked, cross-checked, blind, double blind, whatever but most importantly, those clinical subjects wouldn't be allowed out of sight. Everything would be monitored. I get the free of defects analogy but that only applies to the syringe and needle, not the vaccine itself, and certainly not when it comes to the diversity of physiology. Does that make sense? I'm doing this really quickly and can continue tomorrow.
Of course it is extreme and unlikely, but deliberately so.
My point is that we simply don't know what the next mutation will be like.
Delta was worse than the original;Omicron is more transissable, but has milder symptoms.
The next one *could* be relatively harmless, but it could equally be be more transmissable and more deadly.
As for the whole world being vaccinated -
Humanity has eradicated smallpox, but if one country were to have a case, then it would be an active and deadly disease.
BreakingNews ::
Omicron up to 70% less likely to need hospital care
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59769969
Please forward to Mr Drakeford.
Makes a mockery of restrictions
It does but we had to take action prior to that data confirmed. Not easy when you're working on guesses
Problem is we won't now and retrospectively change those overzealous decisions
"... [M]edical experts agree that the higher transmissibility of the virus poses a severe threat to health care systems even if symptoms are milder, because the sheer volume of infections will likely lead to more people needing hospital care."
CNBC, 24 hours ago.
OK, I'm not picking on you or your posts, it's just that the quote really annoys me. What does it actually mean? How does it translate into numbers requiring hospital care? The weasel-word phrases like 'likely lead...' don't help. We may as well stop all treatments and divert resources in medical facilities when there's ice on the motorways as this is more likely to cause pile-ups and swamp A&E.
I am just pointing out that there are two fundamental unknowns at the moment: Omicron's transmissibility and severity. I know epidemiologists are struggling to figure out how many severe cases (requiring hospitalization) are likely to present in the near future based on those two factors.
If you like things in terms of numbers take a group of 100 people. (Ignore the following if you already get this.)
Suppose, just for illustration, Delta caused 20 infections next week and 1 in 20 Delta infections is severe. We'd have 1 ill person from the group of 100.
Now suppose Omicron caused 60 infections next week but only 1 in 30 cases with Omicron are severe. We'd still have 2 cases in the 100. Things would be worse.
I get it and it's exactly right. I'd like to think there was an algorithm that our leaders have at their disposal that translates these hypotheses into logistics/resource management data before they make decisions. I do know, from speaking to the medical staff at UHW that there is misinformation regarding the effect of Covid on resources right now and that various directives issues are diverting staff from key specialties to frontline A&E for minimal gain.
It's political now, I notice Labour now refer to the wonderful example Welsh Labour sets .
Regarding Omicron Denmark currently has one of the top infection rates in the world and the second highest Omicron rate in Europe, behind the U.K., which has similar vaccination levels and an even higher booster rate.
The double-vaccinated accounted for more than 14,000 of 17,767 Omicron infections recorded in Denmark since the country’s first reported case on November 22.
looking at stats from denmark looks grim reading when it comes to seeing how effective vaccines are . see reports
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sh...re-vaccinated/
https://meaninginhistory.substack.co...micron-telling
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