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    Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Question was “why is Wales not following england”

    Drakeford.
    They have a government that is politically paralysed and the question is, why is england not taking steps
    to protect its population such as Scotland,Northern Ireland and everyone else.
    Because he (Boris) can’t get agreement from his cabinet to take actions from his advisors nor his MP’s.

  2. #2

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by 19bluebirds27 View Post
    Question was “why is Wales not following england”

    Drakeford.
    They have a government that is politically paralysed and the question is, why is england not taking steps
    to protect its population such as Scotland,Northern Ireland and everyone else.
    Because he (Boris) can’t get agreement from his cabinet to take actions from his advisors nor his MP’s.
    I like him, he says it as it is; no bullshit.

  3. #3

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Or we need to do something different and we can always blame another government body , if business go bust, we have large unemployment , poverty and mental illness in years to come , we can blame Westminster .

    Population of Wales in 2021 is estimated to be 3.17 million

    The breakdown of Omicron cases by health board :



    Cardiff and Vale University Health Board 102 (+31)
    Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board 67 (+24)
    Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board 86 (+34)
    Aneurin Bevan University Health Board 58 (+17)
    Swansea Bay University Health Board 84 (+36)
    Hywel Dda University Health Board 22 (+14)
    Powys Teaching Health Board 16 (+7)

    Total 435 (+163)

  4. #4

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    I like him, he says it as it is; no bullshit.




    All bullshit

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    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by 19bluebirds27 View Post
    Question was “why is Wales not following england”

    Drakeford.
    They have a government that is politically paralysed and the question is, why is england not taking steps
    to protect its population such as Scotland,Northern Ireland and everyone else.
    Because he (Boris) can’t get agreement from his cabinet to take actions from his advisors nor his MP’s.
    No, he's just given an intensely political answer because from day one a sub plot of his entire strategy has been to emphasise that he is in charge and to create the impression of difference between England and Wales.

    I'm not overly critical of his, or any leaders whole strategy as they have all made some mistakes, but the political angle has been quite noticeable in Wales and especially so in Scotland.

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    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post

    The breakdown of Omicron cases by health board :
    Cardiff and Vale University Health Board 102 (+31)
    Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board 67 (+24)
    Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board 86 (+34)
    Aneurin Bevan University Health Board 58 (+17)
    Swansea Bay University Health Board 84 (+36)
    Hywel Dda University Health Board 22 (+14)
    Powys Teaching Health Board 16 (+7)

    Total 435 (+163)
    Those look like the figures from 20th December based on this :
    https://phw.nhs.wales/news/public-he...irus-in-wales/
    To be fair those figures had only gone up by close to 1600% by the update of the 29th (7,369)

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    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Covid Hospitalisation Dec 21 v Dec 20 :

    2020 1,600
    2021 600

  8. #8

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Covid Hospitalisation Dec 21 v Dec 20 :

    2020 1,600
    2021 600
    how many would you like it to be?

  9. #9

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    What happens is he and Sturgeon have a chat, decide what to do, usually should be different to England somehow and then that's what happens.

    All in my opinion, I'm not privy to any such conversations although I'm sure they are exciting.

    Drakeford and Welsh Labour only got covid passes through because one AM didn't bother to vote. Passes which a month or so later were to be considered worthless at outdoor events.

    All leaders have been chancers during this time, I'm not convinced any know what they are doing or the route out of it.

    What have they done to support the NHS during the summer to prepare.

    Drakeford and co shutting things down and restricting things isn't the answer, it's just another side of Boris' coin of hoping it blows over.

  10. #10

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Lets see what the man of principle does before the first Welsh 6 nations games lots of votes there , as per the Autumn internationals that were allowed to go ahead . ???

  11. #11

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    No, he's just given an intensely political answer because from day one a sub plot of his entire strategy has been to emphasise that he is in charge and to create the impression of difference between England and Wales.

    I'm not overly critical of his, or any leaders whole strategy as they have all made some mistakes, but the political angle has been quite noticeable in Wales and especially so in Scotland.
    He's not wrong in saying that in the UK and most of Europe that England's approach is the exception rather than the norm though is he?

    Also not wrong in saying that Boris Johnson is politically paralysed, he'd struggle to get any new restrictions past his own backbenchers.

    24 NHS Trusts in England have now declared a critical incident, I think he got asked a (slightly leading) question and answered it pretty accurately to be honest

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    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    He's not wrong in saying that in the UK and most of Europe that England's approach is the exception rather than the norm though is he?

    Also not wrong in saying that Boris Johnson is politically paralysed, he'd struggle to get any new restrictions past his own backbenchers.

    24 NHS Trusts in England have now declared a critical incident, I think he got asked a (slightly leading) question and answered it pretty accurately to be honest
    I agree and I 'like' him too even though I don't agree with his decisions particularly on COVID

    He seems to answer questions directly whether you agree with the answers or not, where I'm fed up with Boris's bluster even though I wanted him as PM

  13. #13

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    No, he's just given an intensely political answer because from day one a sub plot of his entire strategy has been to emphasise that he is in charge and to create the impression of difference between England and Wales.

    I'm not overly critical of his, or any leaders whole strategy as they have all made some mistakes, but the political angle has been quite noticeable in Wales and especially so in Scotland.
    That seems such an immature way to look at it. I'd be amazed if they only make decisions to be contrary to England.

    It's often been the case that England has followed Wales and Scotland juts a few weeks later.

  14. #14

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    He's not wrong in saying that in the UK and most of Europe that England's approach is the exception rather than the norm though is he?

    Also not wrong in saying that Boris Johnson is politically paralysed, he'd struggle to get any new restrictions past his own backbenchers.

    24 NHS Trusts in England have now declared a critical incident, I think he got asked a (slightly leading) question and answered it pretty accurately to be honest
    It's a fair point on the 'political paralysis' but nonetheless it's an attack, whereas he could just say that England are doing what they think is best and we are doing what we think is best. He politicised the answer...although I suppose thats what politicians do, but it just feels like constant points scoring and I genuinely dont think that comes from England as much, although they certainly should be criticised in other respects.

    I am not privy to all current restrictions across Europe but I don't think Englands approach is particularly an outlier. The restrictions are less severe than many countries I am sure, but I dont think they are alone, and there are numerous restrictions in place even if it is more liberal than Wales.

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    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    No, he's just given an intensely political answer because from day one a sub plot of his entire strategy has been to emphasise that he is in charge and to create the impression of difference between England and Wales.

    I'm not overly critical of his, or any leaders whole strategy as they have all made some mistakes, but the political angle has been quite noticeable in Wales and especially so in Scotland.
    And the Dutch, French, Australians etc are also demonstrating that they are different to England or are they acting in the interests of their country and citizens?

    Just remember, up to this point every postponement has been down to COVID, hospital waits are down to pressure from COVID and staff shortages in a whole range of public and private businesses are down to COVID, not due to some deranged decision from a leader determined to be ‘different’.

  16. #16

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by 19bluebirds27 View Post
    Question was “why is Wales not following england”

    Drakeford.
    They have a government that is politically paralysed and the question is, why is england not taking steps
    to protect its population such as Scotland,Northern Ireland and everyone else.
    Because he (Boris) can’t get agreement from his cabinet to take actions from his advisors nor his MP’s.
    Ooof dissing them in public was he? Won’t go down well when he’s outside number 10 with his begging bowl will it?
    Shame he can’t admit over half the new hospital cases are people admitted for something else and they caught it in hospital whilst being treated for something else

  17. #17

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    And you could argue that Labour has a 'political paralysis' as it seems English Labour supports Boris ,if Wales is so good why doesn't Sir Keir get aboard .

    Covid Politics is being played out everywhere .

    We have a weaker variant, it has big cases, small deaths , surely at some point that makes a difference .

  18. #18

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    It's a fair point on the 'political paralysis' but nonetheless it's an attack, whereas he could just say that England are doing what they think is best and we are doing what we think is best. He politicised the answer...although I suppose thats what politicians do, but it just feels like constant points scoring and I genuinely dont think that comes from England as much, although they certainly should be criticised in other respects.

    I am not privy to all current restrictions across Europe but I don't think Englands approach is particularly an outlier. The restrictions are less severe than many countries I am sure, but I dont think they are alone, and there are numerous restrictions in place even if it is more liberal than Wales.
    It’s hard not to politicise the answer when the question is why isn’t Wales doing the same as England I would have thought.

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    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    Ooof dissing them in public was he? Won’t go down well when he’s outside number 10 with his begging bowl will it?
    Shame he can’t admit over half the new hospital cases are people admitted for something else and they caught it in hospital whilst being treated for something else
    Begging bowl? Who helped the UK Government out when they didn’t have enough LFTs?

  20. #20

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Begging bowl? Who helped the UK Government out when they didn’t have enough LFTs?
    Some of the shit that gets trotted out on this board about the Welsh Government and Senedd is frankly embarrassing. "Begging bowl", "Dripford" etc, some people seem unable to come to terms with a decision taken over 20 years ago! Fortunately they're in the minority nationally

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