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  1. #61

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Are people sticking to the restrictions?
    Don’t think so…I wonder why cases are higher in Cardiff than Bristol where there are far fewer restrictions?

  2. #62

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Are people sticking to the restrictions?
    Well, nobody will be going to any gigs in Wales this week. Nobody will be going to any nightclubs this weekend. Nobody will be going to watch Newport or Swansea tomorrow, or the City on Sunday. And if anybody can be arsed to go to their local pub this weekend, theyíll have to twat around with table service, the so-called rule of six, wearing masks when not seated and all that bollocks. So, like it or not, some people will be sticking to the restrictions.

  3. #63

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Well, nobody will be going to any gigs in Wales this week. Nobody will be going to any nightclubs this weekend. Nobody will be going to watch Newport or Swansea tomorrow, or the City on Sunday. And if anybody can be arsed to go to their local pub this weekend, theyíll have to twat around with table service, the so-called rule of six, wearing masks when not seated and all that bollocks. So, like it or not, some people will be sticking to the restrictions.
    To be fair nobody was going to go watch the City on Sunday anyway

  4. #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    It's a fair point on the 'political paralysis' but nonetheless it's an attack, whereas he could just say that England are doing what they think is best and we are doing what we think is best. He politicised the answer...although I suppose thats what politicians do, but it just feels like constant points scoring and I genuinely dont think that comes from England as much, although they certainly should be criticised in other respects.

    I am not privy to all current restrictions across Europe but I don't think Englands approach is particularly an outlier. The restrictions are less severe than many countries I am sure, but I dont think they are alone, and there are numerous restrictions in place even if it is more liberal than Wales.
    I travelled through Spain, France, England and Wales during December and England was by far the most lax in terms of Covid measures.

    England was also the only place that required a test to enter. I guess they have to exercise the fact they have their borders back or something.

    Boris Johnson is a populist along the lines of Bolsonaro or Orban when it comes to the pandemic.

    Drakeford's policies have been comparable to those in the rest of Western Europe.

  5. #65

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Well, nobody will be going to any gigs in Wales this week. Nobody will be going to any nightclubs this weekend. Nobody will be going to watch Newport or Swansea tomorrow, or the City on Sunday. And if anybody can be arsed to go to their local pub this weekend, theyíll have to twat around with table service, the so-called rule of six, wearing masks when not seated and all that bollocks. So, like it or not, some people will be sticking to the restrictions.
    Go to a gig in Bristol, always had better bands there anyway, less covid too

  6. #66

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    Is it just me or is anyone else thinking Mike Flynn should be the next president of Wales ?

  7. #67

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Well, nobody will be going to any gigs in Wales this week. Nobody will be going to any nightclubs this weekend. Nobody will be going to watch Newport or Swansea tomorrow, or the City on Sunday. And if anybody can be arsed to go to their local pub this weekend, they’ll have to twat around with table service, the so-called rule of six, wearing masks when not seated and all that bollocks. So, like it or not, some people will be sticking to the restrictions.
    So there will be less opportunity for people to get Covid and less opportunity to add pressure on to our essential services. Frustrating if you like getting out and about but the flip side isn't all that bad.

  8. #68

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Too many people throwing toys out of prams because they canít walk to the bar or watch a game of football. Itís all a bit of a pain in the arse until you need an ambulance pdq.

  9. #69

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blue View Post
    Too many people throwing toys out of prams because they can’t walk to the bar or watch a game of football. It’s all a bit of a pain in the arse until you need an ambulance pdq.
    Or are wondering why their routine hospital appointment has been delayed 2 months, or they can't get a train etc.

  10. #70

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Don't worry wugger is back soon along with all those caring pissed up wugger fans , who love Charlie Drakeford

  11. #71

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Don't worry wugger is back soon along with all those caring pissed up wugger fans , who love Charlie Drakeford
    I presume you don't believe a word you just wrote.

  12. #72

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    F*ck me, if the NHS employed 1,400,000 million people we could treat the world

    Itís employs close to that amount , not counting agency staff

    Itís the biggest employer in Europe and one of the biggest in the world

    https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-info...s/january-2021

  13. #73

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    It’s employs close to that amount , not counting agency staff

    It’s the biggest employer in Europe and one of the biggest in the world

    https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-info...s/january-2021
    Think splottparker was referring to 1.4 million million!

  14. #74

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    A whoosh moment then the fact is the NHS is less under pressure now than it was in 2017/18 apparently

    In 2017/18 It got so bad that 68 leading A&E doctors wrote to the prime minister to spell out their concerns.
    This is not now though. It was the winter of 2017-18 - the last bad flu season when more than 300 people a day were dying from that virus at one point.
    And that was not even a one-off. In January 2016 hospitals were cancelling routine operations, telling patients to stay away from A&E if they could, and emergency treatment areas were being set up outside some units - just as they are now.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59909860

  15. #75

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    A whoosh moment then the fact is the NHS is less under pressure now than it was in 2017/18 apparently

    In 2017/18 It got so bad that 68 leading A&E doctors wrote to the prime minister to spell out their concerns.
    This is not now though. It was the winter of 2017-18 - the last bad flu season when more than 300 people a day were dying from that virus at one point.
    And that was not even a one-off. In January 2016 hospitals were cancelling routine operations, telling patients to stay away from A&E if they could, and emergency treatment areas were being set up outside some units - just as they are now.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59909860
    That chart showing UK public spending on health is the stand out one, look how it plummeted in 2010. Glad the current shambles have pledged to bring that back up to what it needs to be. We must have lost a fair few oldies in the last few years going from flu to covid crisis….

  16. #76

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    A whoosh moment then the fact is the NHS is less under pressure now than it was in 2017/18 apparently

    In 2017/18 It got so bad that 68 leading A&E doctors wrote to the prime minister to spell out their concerns.
    This is not now though. It was the winter of 2017-18 - the last bad flu season when more than 300 people a day were dying from that virus at one point.
    And that was not even a one-off. In January 2016 hospitals were cancelling routine operations, telling patients to stay away from A&E if they could, and emergency treatment areas were being set up outside some units - just as they are now.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59909860
    Does that actually say it's under less pressure now? Unless I'm misreading it, it seems to suggest the contrary.

  17. #77

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    That chart showing UK public spending on health is the stand out one, look how it plummeted in 2010. Glad the current shambles have pledged to bring that back up to what it needs to be. We must have lost a fair few oldies in the last few years going from flu to covid crisis….
    I agree entirely with your post, goats, and would add that because of the decimation of many social services and healthcare services/support since 2010 we were totally ill-prepared for a pandemic governments were already warned about.

    Please can we not keep the myth going though that Covid only kills older people. Long Covid will be of enormous cost, but also there are countless lives shortened because of financial cuts to the NHS over a decade, and now, to make things worse, a massive backlog of essential medical services and consultations due to the pandemic.

    We should also stop using the pandemic as an excuse. Lack of medical care and facilities/staff is down to our governments of all political persuasions. We need to stop making this about politics and more about incompetence and pathetic logistical/financial planning.

  18. #78

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by nomad blue View Post
    Does that actually say it's under less pressure now? Unless I'm misreading it, it seems to suggest the contrary.
    You're right, but I doubt TWGL1 (or whatever his previous moniker was) read the article in its entirety.

  19. #79

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
    I agree entirely with your post, goats, and would add that because of the decimation of many social services and healthcare services/support since 2010 we were totally ill-prepared for a pandemic governments were already warned about.

    Please can we not keep the myth going though that Covid only kills older people. Long Covid will be of enormous cost, but also there are countless lives shortened because of financial cuts to the NHS over a decade, and now, to make things worse, a massive backlog of essential medical services and consultations due to the pandemic.

    We should also stop using the pandemic as an excuse. Lack of medical care and facilities/staff is down to our governments of all political persuasions. We need to stop making this about politics and more about incompetence and pathetic logistical/financial planning.

    Thatís a good post, but what I donít understand is why 5,000 beds been cut this year alone (post pandemic)

    https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...inter-lockdown

  20. #80

    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Thatís a good post, but what I donít understand is why 5,000 beds been cut this year alone (post pandemic)

    https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...inter-lockdown
    Incompetence and pathetic logistical/financial planning by our governments. The lack of truth and acknowledgment that the strain on the NHS is no longer about infection but about the lack of GP services, staff shortages, waiting times, supplies, medications.....exacerbated by the pandemic and our reaction to it.

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