Drakeford pulled no punches then

[Citizen's Nephew]

You are misreading the chart. There was no plummeting spending on health in 2010. The chart shows increases above inflation. Even in 2010 and since there have been increases above inflation although smaller than previous years.
The real issue with the NHS is that in current form it is barely fit for purpose.
How can it be that people are told that they might have to wait for hours for an ambulance to arrive in an emergency, or that they will have to wait half a day to be seen in A&E.? Yet we accept this as the norm.
Im not sure pushing more money into the NHS will do anything other than see the cash disappear into the ethos

So not spending will make things better how? I'm sorry but the elephant in the room here is Brexit/Freedom of movement/ hostile xenophobia-induced staff shortages. Ironically you're right about it not being fit for purpose but that isn't the NHS's fault it is our governments' fault.

Stop with another myth that spending has increased according to a spreadsheet and government mouthpiece in a suit.

Stop with the veiled politics. Take your politics out of this and look at it cold-bloodedly.

[lisvaneblue]

So not spending will make things better how? I'm sorry but the elephant in the room here is Brexit/Freedom of movement/ hostile xenophobia-induced staff shortages. Ironically you're right about it not being fit for purpose but that isn't the NHS's fault it is our governments' fault.

Stop with another myth that spending has increased according to a spreadsheet and government mouthpiece in a suit.

Stop with the veiled politics. Take your politics out of this and look at it cold-bloodedly.

The elephant in the room is related to Einstein's well known quote about stupidity ie doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. More money currently means no change in outcomes because very few are willing to change the model and those that want to are usually shouted down. No veiled politics...that's how it is and unless it is remodelled that's how it will stay.

[Citizen's Nephew]

The elephant in the room is related to Einstein's well known quote about stupidity ie doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. More money currently means no change in outcomes because very few are willing to change the model and those that want to are usually shouted down. No veiled politics...that's how it is and unless it is remodelled that's how it will stay.

I can live with your answer which makes sense to me. However, things are worse than I thought because the room will soon be too small for all the elephants!

[Tito Fuente]

The elephant in the room is related to Einstein's well known quote about stupidity ie doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. More money currently means no change in outcomes because very few are willing to change the model and those that want to are usually shouted down. No veiled politics...that's how it is and unless it is remodelled that's how it will stay.

The quote is about "insanity" not "stupidity" and has wrongly been attributed to Einstein since the 80s.

Not your best form in this thread LB.

[lisvaneblue]

The quote is about "insanity" not "stupidity" and has wrongly been attributed to Einstein since the 80s.

Not your best form in this thread LB.

You got the message and my attention, so not too bad

[Tito Fuente]

You got the message and my attention, so not too bad

Apology accepted.