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    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    Some of the shit that gets trotted out on this board about the Welsh Government and Senedd is frankly embarrassing. "Begging bowl", "Dripford" etc, some people seem unable to come to terms with a decision taken over 20 years ago! Fortunately they're in the minority nationally
    You know what, i was going to write something that attempted to explain why people feel the way they do about us as a nation having the ability to decide what is right for us, or at least as close as we can towards it, then i thought, nah, your post is enough for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    You know what, i was going to write something that attempted to explain why people feel the way they do about us as a nation having the ability to decide what is right for us, or at least as close as we can towards it, then i thought, nah, your post is enough for me
    Nobody hates Wales more than the Welsh

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    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Begging bowl? Who helped the UK Government out when they didn’t have enough LFTs?
    They still haven't got enough LFTs.

    Boris Johnson announced his Plan B for England on 8 December. We tried to get hold of LFTs from pharmacies in Sheffield from the following day. Tried over 20 pharmacies in a 10 mile radius regularly. No chance. None in stock and they have never been in stock for more than a few hours a few times a week - and never at a time when we try to get them. Plan B relied on self testing with LFTs - and it has been a shambles from day one.

    Welsh LFT Aid never made it as far as us, but it is one small indication of where the planning and competence was - not in England!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    They still haven't got enough LFTs.

    Boris Johnson announced his Plan B for England on 8 December. We tried to get hold of LFTs from pharmacies in Sheffield from the following day. Tried over 20 pharmacies in a 10 mile radius regularly. No chance. None in stock and they have never been in stock for more than a few hours a few times a week - and never at a time when we try to get them. Plan B relied on self testing with LFTs - and it has been a shambles from day one.

    Welsh LFT Aid never made it as far as us, but it is one small indication of where the planning and competence was - not in England!
    Drakeford will be accused of wasting tax payers money by ordering too many LFT's .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    They still haven't got enough LFTs.

    Boris Johnson announced his Plan B for England on 8 December. We tried to get hold of LFTs from pharmacies in Sheffield from the following day. Tried over 20 pharmacies in a 10 mile radius regularly. No chance. None in stock and they have never been in stock for more than a few hours a few times a week - and never at a time when we try to get them. Plan B relied on self testing with LFTs - and it has been a shambles from day one.

    Welsh LFT Aid never made it as far as us, but it is one small indication of where the planning and competence was - not in England!
    This whole issue of LFTs is a farce. At short notice the politicians in the home nations decide the need for more flow tests. As with any supply surge it needs managing. The way we in Wales ( and probably England) was to get a well known UK wide pharmaceutical wholesaler to distribute these to pharmacies. Health authorities oversaw the issue and for expedience most pharmacies got a large box full of tests per day, whether a busy high street chemist or a quiet village pharmacy. Then the wholesaler stopped distribution from Christmas Eve until 29th December as they closed for Christmas!

    As for Wales kind gesture to England in supplying 1 million tests, very short sighted as many of the local pharmacies in my area of Cardiff have not been able to get supplies and from news bulletins this seems to be a problem throughout Wales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    This whole issue of LFTs is a farce. At short notice the politicians in the home nations decide the need for more flow tests. As with any supply surge it needs managing. The way we in Wales ( and probably England) was to get a well known UK wide pharmaceutical wholesaler to distribute these to pharmacies. Health authorities oversaw the issue and for expedience most pharmacies got a large box full of tests per day, whether a busy high street chemist or a quiet village pharmacy. Then the wholesaler stopped distribution from Christmas Eve until 29th December as they closed for Christmas!

    As for Wales kind gesture to England in supplying 1 million tests, very short sighted as many of the local pharmacies in my area of Cardiff have not been able to get supplies and from news bulletins this seems to be a problem throughout Wales.
    We have registered online and we get our LFT's delivered for free, without fail. Fantastic service. You should try it if you're having problems.

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    And you could argue that Labour has a 'political paralysis' as it seems English Labour supports Boris ,if Wales is so good why doesn't Sir Keir get aboard .

    Covid Politics is being played out everywhere .

    We have a weaker variant, it has big cases, small deaths , surely at some point that makes a difference .

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    It's an odd situation we're in with many people in Wales calling for Drakeford to ease restrictions, because there's less in England. Whereas, on the other hand, Boris is finding himself under pressure from scientists and NHS leaders to do something about rising case rates and hospitalisations.
    Who's right and who's wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bloop View Post
    It's an odd situation we're in with many people in Wales calling for Drakeford to ease restrictions, because there's less in England.
    Is that the only reason people are calling for Drakeford to ease restrictions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Is that the only reason people are calling for Drakeford to ease restrictions?
    Nope

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Is that the only reason people are calling for Drakeford to ease restrictions?
    From my perspective , yes . Drakeford and Sturgeon rolled the political dice , they are suffocating their countries for political gain.
    And the dice isn't going to come in this time......

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    The WAG have got it easy, they only have to look after healthcare, whereas the costs not theirs to worry about.

    The fraud is not their problem, so it's an easy stick to beat the UK government with

    I just wish sometimes Boris would hold his hand up
    I wish sometimes Boris would hold his hand over his mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Is that the only reason people are calling for Drakeford to ease restrictions?
    No, but it's a comparison that's made quite often particularly in relation to hospitality and sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bloop View Post
    No, but it's a comparison that's made quite often particularly in relation to hospitality and sport.
    Fair enough. What I keep hearing from people who, like me, are sick to the back teeth of the restrictions Drakeford and Co keep imposing is that, now we have vaccines, boosters and Covid passports, we have to start learning to live with this damned virus come what may. And I also keep hearing people asking what the actual justification is for these restrictions when the situation is allegedly so much better now than it was this time last year, and also what the so-called 'science' is behind them. There seems to be a distinct scarcity of that at the moment.

    I suppose we should look on the bright side, though. At least the venerable First Minister has downgraded the Omicron variant from a 'tsunami' to a 'storm', so things are looking up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Fair enough. What I keep hearing from people who, like me, are sick to the back teeth of the restrictions Drakeford and Co keep imposing is that, now we have vaccines, boosters and Covid passports, we have to start learning to live with this damned virus come what may. And I also keep hearing people asking what the actual justification is for these restrictions when the situation is allegedly so much better now than it was this time last year, and also what the so-called 'science' is behind them. There seems to be a distinct scarcity of that at the moment.

    I suppose we should look on the bright side, though. At least the venerable First Minister has downgraded the Omicron variant from a 'tsunami' to a 'storm', so things are looking up.
    Take a look at the state of English NHS Trusts this Friday evening to see why something had to be done. We all hate restrictions - who does want them in a normal world? - but look at the consequences of this thing running wild.

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    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Fair enough. What I keep hearing from people who, like me, are sick to the back teeth of the restrictions Drakeford and Co keep imposing is that, now we have vaccines, boosters and Covid passports, we have to start learning to live with this damned virus come what may. And I also keep hearing people asking what the actual justification is for these restrictions when the situation is allegedly so much better now than it was this time last year, and also what the so-called 'science' is behind them. There seems to be a distinct scarcity of that at the moment.

    I suppose we should look on the bright side, though. At least the venerable First Minister has downgraded the Omicron variant from a 'tsunami' to a 'storm', so things are looking up.
    Absolutely agree TLG - hospital rates miles lower than last year, the much heralded apocalypse hasn’t arrived (SAGE seem compulsive harbingers of doom; I thought we were meant to be on 1 million cases per day by now because Boris didn’t lock up the English for Christmas. They remind me of the saying in financial services that economists have predicted 15 of the last three recessions).

    What started as three weeks to slow the curve and Protect the NHS- seems to have turned into two years of beating us with a stick until no-one is in hospital and every death being a tragedy.

    The radio and TV outlets bombard us with the (pretty meaningless) number of cases, number of hospitalisations and deaths, seemingly taking delight when numbers increase. The fact that 15-20,000 people die each winter with the standard flu seems forgotten.

    The reality is that illness and death are (sadly) part of life. The NHS is employs 1,400,000 million people - surely they are there to treat us, rather than being a resource that people are made to feel guilty to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Re-sign Carl Dale View Post
    Absolutely agree TLG - hospital rates miles lower than last year, the much heralded apocalypse hasn’t arrived (SAGE seem compulsive harbingers of doom; I thought we were meant to be on 1 million cases per day by now because Boris didn’t lock up the English for Christmas. They remind me of the saying in financial services that economists have predicted 15 of the last three recessions).

    What started as three weeks to slow the curve and Protect the NHS- seems to have turned into two years of beating us with a stick until no-one is in hospital and every death being a tragedy.

    The radio and TV outlets bombard us with the (pretty meaningless) number of cases, number of hospitalisations and deaths, seemingly taking delight when numbers increase. The fact that 15-20,000 people die each winter with the standard flu seems forgotten.

    The reality is that illness and death are (sadly) part of life. The NHS is employs 1,400,000 million people - surely they are there to treat us, rather than being a resource that people are made to feel guilty to use.
    F*ck me, if the NHS employed 1,400,000 million people we could treat the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    F*ck me, if the NHS employed 1,400,000 million people we could treat the world

    It’s employs close to that amount , not counting agency staff

    It’s the biggest employer in Europe and one of the biggest in the world

    https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-info...s/january-2021

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    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    You know what, i was going to write something that attempted to explain why people feel the way they do about us as a nation having the ability to decide what is right for us, or at least as close as we can towards it, then i thought, nah, your post is enough for me
    I voted against a Welsh Assembly 20 years ago and I have always been against devolution. I'm not particularly into Welsh culture and I have always wanted a more Integrated Britain. I'm one of these who when asked on a form what my nationality is I always state British.

    However, since Mr Drakeford has become leader and in comparison to the miasma of sleaze and confusion in Westminster I've started to change my mind. Yes there have been one or two calls Drakeford has made which I disagree with (who agrees with everyone all the time?) but I have been left with the reassuring feeling that we are in safe hands under his watch. I would be feeling decidedly different if I lived in England.

    If an independent Welsh state would get us away from the Tories then it would get my vote now.

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    Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    I voted against a Welsh Assembly 20 years ago and I have always been against devolution. I'm not particularly into Welsh culture and I have always wanted a more Integrated Britain. I'm one of these who when asked on a form what my nationality is I always state British.

    However, since Mr Drakeford has become leader and in comparison to the miasma of sleaze and confusion in Westminster I've started to change my mind. Yes there have been one or two calls Drakeford has made which I disagree with (who agrees with everyone all the time?) but I have been left with the reassuring feeling that we are in safe hands under his watch. I would be feeling decidedly different if I lived in England.

    If an independent Welsh state would get us away from the Tories then it would get my vote now.
    I voted for the welsh Assembly. purely based on the fact that any country worth it's salt should have the ability to make decisions directly, i'm all for devolved powers. I'm not a Nationalist though, and i wouldn't vote for independence, i would have some concerns over what we might get politically.

    Drakeford is a good man, i've met him on a couple of occasions and he comes across as very caring, compassionate and principled. He has his faults and he has got things wrong, but overall i'm happy with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
    From my perspective , yes . Drakeford and Sturgeon rolled the political dice , they are suffocating their countries for political gain.
    And the dice isn't going to come in this time......
    Explain to me how they gain politically from their actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    Cheers Tuerto, that was simple
    And who funded and procured that wonderful service?

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    And who funded and procured that wonderful service?
    Search me, I did it on the NHS Wales website.

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    For me, it is the banning of fans from outdoor sporting events that gives the game away over the real motivation for the restrictions in Wales. All WAG had to do was tell clubs to close tv screens, betting outlets, bars, food outlets and hospitality areas during matches, not allow fans to congregate in large numbers outside or inside the stadiums and if they really thought it was needed, restrict stadium capacities to some extent and enforce social distancing measures inside the bowls. That would have been a proportionate response to the new variant. To bans fans totally when there is clear evidence that outdoor sports events are low risk is totally nonsensical and totally politically motivated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Yes, a Drakeford twist.....We gave a million tests. You know they come in boxes of 7 tests...so about 140,000 boxes. Maybe they are being used to supply you when you request them by post from UK gov.

    And as I said earlier Welsh pharmacies were running out of LFT supplies. One pharmacist I spoke said she hadn't received enough to meet demand for days, and this is not uncommon.
    Only 9 million tests off. Close though.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...re-covid-tests

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