Covid Rates in Wales - have the greater restrictions worked at all?

[blue matt]

It’s impossible to say. It’s probably
Slowed the spread down somewhat. What would the numbers be like in Wales now, if England had followed suit and been a little bit more careful in their approach too? With so much movement between wales and England obviously it will still spread.

didnt Australia have that idea and it worked for over 1 year, but Covid still arrived and still tore through communities, not sure what stalling it with lockdowns achieves now as a very high % of people who want vaccines have had them by now ( the people who haven't are not likely to think, oh we have stalled the virus for another 3 months, I might aswell have my jabs now )

[Gofer Blue]

There is a variable with hospitalisations also. Up to half of current cases in Wales were admitted to hospital with something else and caught Covid in hospital.Mark Drakeford mentioned this.

That’s the problem there is so much data, you can make an argument either way.

The graph shows the number of people admitted to hospital with COVID per 100K of population not the number of people who died in hospital from COVID.

[The Lone Gunman]

It might be that things are particularly shit in England and that our proximity means that even with tighter restrictions we are suffering from being in the fallout zone.

Or it might not.

[Hilts]

didnt Australia have that idea and it worked for over 1 year, but Covid still arrived and still tore through communities, not sure what stalling it with lockdowns achieves now as a very high % of people who want vaccines have had them by now ( the people who haven't are not likely to think, oh we have stalled the virus for another 3 months, I might aswell have my jabs now )

3 new cases tore through Western Australia on Monday.

[Divine Wright]

Or it might not.

I mean, it IS particularly shit in England. No might about it.

Maybe, I'd even say it's probably had an influence on our figures. Everything else from the other side of the border affects us, why wouldn't this?

Restrictions DO work though. There is no debate really. Like I said, go look at Japan or NZ or Korea's death rate during the pandemic. The stats from England (UK) are very, very bad.

I suspect the economic downturn after Brexit is playing a role in BJ's policies.

[City123]

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/ful...34948211047137

You would think every country in the world would have the same rules , but even in the Uk we don’t , that’s what’s baffling

Why should every country have the same rules? Every country has different circumstances. What is needed in one may not be needed in another

[blue matt]

3 new cases tore through Western Australia on Monday.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-...aths/100732338

over 21K in NSW over christmas

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-...ise-/100746772

over 25K yesterday ( Monday )


the point is lockdowns / restrictions only buy you time till you have everyone vaccinated , we all knew that ( we ( and Australia ) must be close to that point as everyone has had the opportunity ( of course if you can't have the vaccine that doesn't apply to you and you need all the luck god has ) so further restrictions appear to be just a delaying tactic, but delaying till when ? ?

[Hilts]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-...aths/100732338

over 21K in NSW over christmas

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-...ise-/100746772

over 25K yesterday ( Monday )


the point is lockdowns / restrictions only buy you time till you have everyone vaccinated , we all knew that ( we ( and Australia ) must be close to that point as everyone has had the opportunity ( of course if you can't have the vaccine that doesn't apply to you and you need all the luck god has ) so further restrictions appear to be just a delaying tactic, but delaying till when ? ?

Delay until enough vaccines , so Health Services and other services dont get overwhelmed.

People are moaning about restrictions in Wales. Completely incomparable to Australia and Western Australia in particular.

When this pandemic is over the death rates will show if Australia handled this better than the UK.

[blue matt]

Delay until enough vaccines , so Health Services and other services dont get overwhelmed.

People are moaning about restrictions in Wales. Completely incomparable to Australia and Western Australia in particular.

When this pandemic is over the death rates will show if Australia handled this better than the UK.

oh I agree but both us and Australia ( I know NSW has ) have empty vaccine slots every day, so the people who are going to have the vaccines have had them ( apart from a small % of people who were slow on the uptake, 22K 1st jabs yesterday here, at least they are on the road I guess )

we will see Australia handled it better at the start, but as soon as they relaxed restrictions ( especially in NSW ) the virus arrived and spread, but at what expense to peoples jobs and mental health and health in general

[Rjk]

maybe in Australia now had real trouble getting tested recently, seemed to take forever

[The Lone Gunman]

I mean, it IS particularly shit in England. No might about it.

ALL of England?

[The Lone Gunman]

Maybe, I'd even say it's probably had an influence on our figures. Everything else from the other side of the border affects us, why wouldn't this?

Do you think the reverse might also be true?

You’ve said England’s figures are really BAD. But what about the Welsh figures?

Is it the case that anything positive is down to the Welsh government, while anything negative is down to the English government?

It seems to me that some of us want to believe that. But I certainly don’t. I believe both governments are utterly hopeless.

[Vindec]

I have no idea whether the situation is worse in Wales other than comments I have heard on the radio and TV suggesting that the situation in Wales (and Scotland) is worse despite the stricter conditions both countries employ. Incidentally earlier posts suggesting that the situation in Wales is bad because of its proximity to England is ludicrous as the reverse could be equally true.

I agree with this comment: "Is it the case that anything positive is down to the Welsh government, while anything negative is down to the English government?

It seems to me that some of us want to believe that. But I certainly don’t. I believe both governments are utterly hopeless"......................................... except to say some governments are more hopeless than others.

[Divine Wright]

Do you think the reverse might also be true?

Well, it's common sense. Restrictions like mask wearing and limiting contact do work, so it'd make more sense that a country with 20 times more inhabitants with near to no limitations, would have a greater affect on a country (that is largely considered a holiday destination by the majority of it's inhabitants) with 3 million inhabitants than the other way around.

You’ve said England’s figures are really BAD. But what about the Welsh figures?

Maybe things like this have an influence " The figures also exclude - apart from in Wales - those who are re-infected, something that has become increasingly common with the rise of the Omicron variant."

Is it the case that anything positive is down to the Welsh government, while anything negative is down to the English government?

There is a history tbf. Both in terms of the centralised government and in terms of the Tories in general.

It seems to me that some of us want to believe that. But I certainly don’t. I believe both governments are utterly hopeless.

Maybe , but I don't think the ties to the English government have benefited the Senedd in any way. It might seem irrelevant but that whole 500m crown estate malarky is 500m less on paying for more doctors or track-tracing people. Maybe it's simplistic, but it all plays a part.


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