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    Its no suprise reading some of the comments. Its the typical Tory attitude im all right screw you.

    This is a Global Pandemic. Its great the vaccination programme has gone so well in this and the other richer countries. However this isnt the case globally and in poorer countries. You could swear some have been living in the post war UK listening to some comments.

    Until the world is vaccinated we are not out of it. Lift all restrictions. Yeah feck the 80 year old on the bus im not wearing a mask. Lets just travel everywhere without masks no need to isolate even with covid and spread the virus amongst other countries or allow another variant in our own.

    We need to get back to as close as normal as we can with some sensible restrictions.

    However we need the rest of the world vaccinated. Its scandalous that countries are not allowed to mass produce vaccines due to the vaccine patent. Credit must go to the US , Russia and China for backing the vaccine waver.

    However the UK govt ???.... nah we are ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Its no suprise reading some of the comments. Its the typical Tory attitude im all right screw you.

    This is a Global Pandemic. Its great the vaccination programme has gone so well in this and the other richer countries. However this isnt the case globally and in poorer countries. You could swear some have been living in the post war UK listening to some comments.

    Until the world is vaccinated we are not out of it. Lift all restrictions. Yeah feck the 80 year old on the bus im not wearing a mask. Lets just travel everywhere without masks no need to isolate even with covid and spread the virus amongst other countries or allow another variant in our own.

    We need to get back to as close as normal as we can with some sensible restrictions.

    However we need the rest of the world vaccinated. Its scandalous that countries are not allowed to mass produce vaccines due to the vaccine patent. Credit must go to the US , Russia and China for backing the vaccine waver.

    However the UK govt ???.... nah we are ok.
    What? We’ve only just got ourselves here vaccinated ffs…hopefully the economy will kick on now and we won’t see too many more issues despite the cost of living rising massively. Whilst doing this for the last year we also have to vaccinate the world do we? That’s never going to happen is it? There is still 4 million who haven’t here alone so no point banging that drum any longer. The vaccination programme is practically the only thing the Tories have nailed….

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Its no suprise reading some of the comments. Its the typical Tory attitude im all right screw you.

    This is a Global Pandemic. Its great the vaccination programme has gone so well in this and the other richer countries. However this isnt the case globally and in poorer countries. You could swear some have been living in the post war UK listening to some comments.

    Until the world is vaccinated we are not out of it. Lift all restrictions. Yeah feck the 80 year old on the bus im not wearing a mask. Lets just travel everywhere without masks no need to isolate even with covid and spread the virus amongst other countries or allow another variant in our own.

    We need to get back to as close as normal as we can with some sensible restrictions.

    However we need the rest of the world vaccinated. Its scandalous that countries are not allowed to mass produce vaccines due to the vaccine patent. Credit must go to the US , Russia and China for backing the vaccine waver.

    However the UK govt ???.... nah we are ok.
    You are way out of touch on this one. AZ gave others the opportunity to manufacture their vaccine and the biggest manufacturer of vaccines in the world, based in India, manufactured it freely. However such manufacture is highly specialised and there are are limited facilities for such world wide. As far as the Russian and Chinese are concerned they decided to manufacture their own and good luck to them.
    We will never get to the stage where the global population is going to be vaccinated each year. As it happens the Omicron variant is following an established pattern for viruses...easier to catch but less virulent.

    As you say, with sensible precautions...vaccination and anti-virals..there is the opportunity for UK to get back some resemblance of normality in people's lives.

    Politicians are taking us for mugs, and you're buying into it. Drakeford sees sense on spectator sports just in time for the rugby internationals, and he says he's following the science...????

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    You are way out of touch on this one. AZ gave others the opportunity to manufacture their vaccine and the biggest manufacturer of vaccines in the world, based in India, manufactured it freely. However such manufacture is highly specialised and there are are limited facilities for such world wide. As far as the Russian and Chinese are concerned they decided to manufacture their own and good luck to them.
    We will never get to the stage where the global population is going to be vaccinated each year. As it happens the Omicron variant is following an established pattern for viruses...easier to catch but less virulent.

    As you say, with sensible precautions...vaccination and anti-virals..there is the opportunity for UK to get back some resemblance of normality in people's lives.

    Politicians are taking us for mugs, and you're buying into it. Drakeford sees sense on spectator sports just in time for the rugby internationals, and he says he's following the science...????
    Fully agree we need to get as close to normality as soon as possible.

    Just sensible restrictions.

    You clearly know far more about the pharmaceutical industry than me. Ive taken what ive seen from a QT program about 3 weeks with some guy from I believe a Charity stating that there are countries able to mass produce vaccines which cant due to the refusal of some countries the UK included refusing to allow a patent waver.

    Im corrected.

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    Re: IF Drakeford says...

    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post

    Politicians are taking us for mugs, and you're buying into it. Drakeford sees sense on spectator sports just in time for the rugby internationals, and he says he's following the science...????
    The chip some of you have on your shoulder about rugby existing is ridiculous, the first Wales home game isn't for another 3 weeks which in Covid terms is a lifetime yet it's "JUST IN TIME for the rugby internationals"

    What's the cut off for "just in time" then? if he'd have done it a week ago would a month have been "just in time"? I suspect it would because a few of you decided a while ago that he'd cancel them specifically for the 6 Nations so whenever he did it would have to fit that narrative.

    Also all of you banging on like you care about hospitality struggling are the ones moaning about restrictions being relaxed by the time the 6 Nations come around, which massively helps hospitality. You can't be angry at everything. Or quite clearly you can but you shouldn't. Cases are coming down, restrictions are being relaxed, hospitality won't miss out on millions during those weekends. Good news all round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    The chip some of you have on your shoulder about rugby existing is ridiculous, the first Wales home game isn't for another 3 weeks which in Covid terms is a lifetime yet it's "JUST IN TIME for the rugby internationals"

    What's the cut off for "just in time" then? if he'd have done it a week ago would a month have been "just in time"? I suspect it would because a few of you decided a while ago that he'd cancel them specifically for the 6 Nations so whenever he did it would have to fit that narrative.

    Also all of you banging on like you care about hospitality struggling are the ones moaning about restrictions being relaxed by the time the 6 Nations come around, which massively helps hospitality. You can't be angry at everything. Or quite clearly you can but you shouldn't. Cases are coming down, restrictions are being relaxed, hospitality won't miss out on millions during those weekends. Good news all round.
    Delmbox is right. I'm pretty critical of Drakeford at this stage of the pandemic, and it's utterly preposterous he is happy for strangers to meet in pubs but not for work colleagues to meet face to face...but, clearly the direction of travel is to open up, and its right to do so, so it's not directly linked to the six nations.

    I'm sure the WRU rightly piled the pressure on and he knows what a PR disaster it would have been, but clearly this isnt just because of the six nations or even primarily related to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    The chip some of you have on your shoulder about rugby existing is ridiculous, the first Wales home game isn't for another 3 weeks which in Covid terms is a lifetime yet it's "JUST IN TIME for the rugby internationals"

    What's the cut off for "just in time" then? if he'd have done it a week ago would a month have been "just in time"? I suspect it would because a few of you decided a while ago that he'd cancel them specifically for the 6 Nations so whenever he did it would have to fit that narrative.

    Also all of you banging on like you care about hospitality struggling are the ones moaning about restrictions being relaxed by the time the 6 Nations come around, which massively helps hospitality. You can't be angry at everything. Or quite clearly you can but you shouldn't. Cases are coming down, restrictions are being relaxed, hospitality won't miss out on millions during those weekends. Good news all round.
    'Just in time' is now when you have three home rugby matches to play with 80,000 at each, tickets to sell, hospitality to arrange, hotel bookings to be made, staff to be hired, beer to be brewed and distributed, police to be organised etc.

    There is no doubt in my mind that the decision by Mark Drakeford was a political one. Personally Im delighted that he's done it to help our local hospitality industry, allow fans back into the CC stadium, plus those who want to watch the rugby.

    There is also no doubt in my mind that if he had not been pressurised by forthcoming international matches he would have kept us waiting for Level 0

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