IF Drakeford says...

[goats]

Its no suprise reading some of the comments. Its the typical Tory attitude im all right screw you.

This is a Global Pandemic. Its great the vaccination programme has gone so well in this and the other richer countries. However this isnt the case globally and in poorer countries. You could swear some have been living in the post war UK listening to some comments.

Until the world is vaccinated we are not out of it. Lift all restrictions. Yeah feck the 80 year old on the bus im not wearing a mask. Lets just travel everywhere without masks no need to isolate even with covid and spread the virus amongst other countries or allow another variant in our own.

We need to get back to as close as normal as we can with some sensible restrictions.

However we need the rest of the world vaccinated. Its scandalous that countries are not allowed to mass produce vaccines due to the vaccine patent. Credit must go to the US , Russia and China for backing the vaccine waver.

However the UK govt ???.... nah we are ok.

What? We’ve only just got ourselves here vaccinated ffs…hopefully the economy will kick on now and we won’t see too many more issues despite the cost of living rising massively. Whilst doing this for the last year we also have to vaccinate the world do we? That’s never going to happen is it? There is still 4 million who haven’t here alone so no point banging that drum any longer. The vaccination programme is practically the only thing the Tories have nailed….

[Citizen's Nephew]

Use these type of threads for what they are butt. Entertainment and identifying absolute whoppers.

There's some fantastic hypocrisy on display or are some people really as dull as dog shiit?

I'm not nuanced enough obviously?

Good advice mate! I started playing a drinking game where every time I read a mutation of the name Drakeford I took a shot. Three pages later I'd downed a bottle of Smirnoff!

[goats]

Good advice mate! I started playing a drinking game where every time I read a mutation of the name Drakeford I took a shot. Three pages later I'd downed a bottle of Smirnoff!

What’s your favourite one? Kim jong Drakeford is mine

[JamesWales]

Its no suprise reading some of the comments. Its the typical Tory attitude im all right screw you.

This is a Global Pandemic. Its great the vaccination programme has gone so well in this and the other richer countries. However this isnt the case globally and in poorer countries. You could swear some have been living in the post war UK listening to some comments.

Until the world is vaccinated we are not out of it. Lift all restrictions. Yeah feck the 80 year old on the bus im not wearing a mask. Lets just travel everywhere without masks no need to isolate even with covid and spread the virus amongst other countries or allow another variant in our own.

We need to get back to as close as normal as we can with some sensible restrictions.

However we need the rest of the world vaccinated. Its scandalous that countries are not allowed to mass produce vaccines due to the vaccine patent. Credit must go to the US , Russia and China for backing the vaccine waver.

However the UK govt ???.... nah we are ok.

You make some reasonable points just ruined with that 'typical Tory I'm alright jack stuff'. Just completely ridiculous

You seem completely oblivious (on purpose or otherwise) to the utterly unprecedented amounts of money spent on supporting people through this pandemic. It's just so frustrating that people ignore reality to turn these things into cheap party political points.

[Citizen's Nephew]

What’s your favourite one? Kim jong Drakeford is mine

Oh, they're so clever and witty it's hard to pick a winner I can only play the game with the cheap own brand stuff now anyway. I've been priced out.

[Hilts]

What? We’ve only just got ourselves here vaccinated ffs…hopefully the economy will kick on now and we won’t see too many more issues despite the cost of living rising massively. Whilst doing this for the last year we also have to vaccinate the world do we? That’s never going to happen is it? There is still 4 million who haven’t here alone so no point banging that drum any longer. The vaccination programme is practically the only thing the Tories have nailed….

Thats the point im making we cant vaccinate the world. Or it will take many years.

Countries able to mass produce vaccines should be able to do so.

[lisvaneblue]

Its no suprise reading some of the comments. Its the typical Tory attitude im all right screw you.

This is a Global Pandemic. Its great the vaccination programme has gone so well in this and the other richer countries. However this isnt the case globally and in poorer countries. You could swear some have been living in the post war UK listening to some comments.

Until the world is vaccinated we are not out of it. Lift all restrictions. Yeah feck the 80 year old on the bus im not wearing a mask. Lets just travel everywhere without masks no need to isolate even with covid and spread the virus amongst other countries or allow another variant in our own.

We need to get back to as close as normal as we can with some sensible restrictions.

However we need the rest of the world vaccinated. Its scandalous that countries are not allowed to mass produce vaccines due to the vaccine patent. Credit must go to the US , Russia and China for backing the vaccine waver.

However the UK govt ???.... nah we are ok.

You are way out of touch on this one. AZ gave others the opportunity to manufacture their vaccine and the biggest manufacturer of vaccines in the world, based in India, manufactured it freely. However such manufacture is highly specialised and there are are limited facilities for such world wide. As far as the Russian and Chinese are concerned they decided to manufacture their own and good luck to them.
We will never get to the stage where the global population is going to be vaccinated each year. As it happens the Omicron variant is following an established pattern for viruses...easier to catch but less virulent.

As you say, with sensible precautions...vaccination and anti-virals..there is the opportunity for UK to get back some resemblance of normality in people's lives.

Politicians are taking us for mugs, and you're buying into it. Drakeford sees sense on spectator sports just in time for the rugby internationals, and he says he's following the science...????

[Hilts]

You are way out of touch on this one. AZ gave others the opportunity to manufacture their vaccine and the biggest manufacturer of vaccines in the world, based in India, manufactured it freely. However such manufacture is highly specialised and there are are limited facilities for such world wide. As far as the Russian and Chinese are concerned they decided to manufacture their own and good luck to them.
We will never get to the stage where the global population is going to be vaccinated each year. As it happens the Omicron variant is following an established pattern for viruses...easier to catch but less virulent.

As you say, with sensible precautions...vaccination and anti-virals..there is the opportunity for UK to get back some resemblance of normality in people's lives.

Politicians are taking us for mugs, and you're buying into it. Drakeford sees sense on spectator sports just in time for the rugby internationals, and he says he's following the science...????

Fully agree we need to get as close to normality as soon as possible.

Just sensible restrictions.

You clearly know far more about the pharmaceutical industry than me. Ive taken what ive seen from a QT program about 3 weeks with some guy from I believe a Charity stating that there are countries able to mass produce vaccines which cant due to the refusal of some countries the UK included refusing to allow a patent waver.

Im corrected.

[delmbox]

Politicians are taking us for mugs, and you're buying into it. Drakeford sees sense on spectator sports just in time for the rugby internationals, and he says he's following the science...????

The chip some of you have on your shoulder about rugby existing is ridiculous, the first Wales home game isn't for another 3 weeks which in Covid terms is a lifetime yet it's "JUST IN TIME for the rugby internationals"

What's the cut off for "just in time" then? if he'd have done it a week ago would a month have been "just in time"? I suspect it would because a few of you decided a while ago that he'd cancel them specifically for the 6 Nations so whenever he did it would have to fit that narrative.

Also all of you banging on like you care about hospitality struggling are the ones moaning about restrictions being relaxed by the time the 6 Nations come around, which massively helps hospitality. You can't be angry at everything. Or quite clearly you can but you shouldn't. Cases are coming down, restrictions are being relaxed, hospitality won't miss out on millions during those weekends. Good news all round.

[JamesWales]

The chip some of you have on your shoulder about rugby existing is ridiculous, the first Wales home game isn't for another 3 weeks which in Covid terms is a lifetime yet it's "JUST IN TIME for the rugby internationals"

What's the cut off for "just in time" then? if he'd have done it a week ago would a month have been "just in time"? I suspect it would because a few of you decided a while ago that he'd cancel them specifically for the 6 Nations so whenever he did it would have to fit that narrative.

Also all of you banging on like you care about hospitality struggling are the ones moaning about restrictions being relaxed by the time the 6 Nations come around, which massively helps hospitality. You can't be angry at everything. Or quite clearly you can but you shouldn't. Cases are coming down, restrictions are being relaxed, hospitality won't miss out on millions during those weekends. Good news all round.

Delmbox is right. I'm pretty critical of Drakeford at this stage of the pandemic, and it's utterly preposterous he is happy for strangers to meet in pubs but not for work colleagues to meet face to face...but, clearly the direction of travel is to open up, and its right to do so, so it's not directly linked to the six nations.

I'm sure the WRU rightly piled the pressure on and he knows what a PR disaster it would have been, but clearly this isnt just because of the six nations or even primarily related to it.

[Father Dougal]

Delmbox is right. I'm pretty critical of Drakeford at this stage of the pandemic, and it's utterly preposterous he is happy for strangers to meet in pubs but not for work colleagues to meet face to face...but, clearly the direction of travel is to open up, and its right to do so, so it's not directly linked to the six nations.

I'm sure the WRU rightly piled the pressure on and he knows what a PR disaster it would have been, but clearly this isnt just because of the six nations or even primarily related to it.

I was surprised the clubs didn't bother with any PR to get it reversed before Christmas. All it would have taken is city and swansea to say they are seeking negotiations with Bristol or forest Green about moving home games there and the WG would have folded I think.

[lisvaneblue]

The chip some of you have on your shoulder about rugby existing is ridiculous, the first Wales home game isn't for another 3 weeks which in Covid terms is a lifetime yet it's "JUST IN TIME for the rugby internationals"

What's the cut off for "just in time" then? if he'd have done it a week ago would a month have been "just in time"? I suspect it would because a few of you decided a while ago that he'd cancel them specifically for the 6 Nations so whenever he did it would have to fit that narrative.

Also all of you banging on like you care about hospitality struggling are the ones moaning about restrictions being relaxed by the time the 6 Nations come around, which massively helps hospitality. You can't be angry at everything. Or quite clearly you can but you shouldn't. Cases are coming down, restrictions are being relaxed, hospitality won't miss out on millions during those weekends. Good news all round.

'Just in time' is now when you have three home rugby matches to play with 80,000 at each, tickets to sell, hospitality to arrange, hotel bookings to be made, staff to be hired, beer to be brewed and distributed, police to be organised etc.

There is no doubt in my mind that the decision by Mark Drakeford was a political one. Personally Im delighted that he's done it to help our local hospitality industry, allow fans back into the CC stadium, plus those who want to watch the rugby.

There is also no doubt in my mind that if he had not been pressurised by forthcoming international matches he would have kept us waiting for Level 0

[Father Dougal]

'Just in time' is now when you have three home rugby matches to play with 80,000 at each, tickets to sell, hospitality to arrange, hotel bookings to be made, staff to be hired, beer to be brewed and distributed, police to be organised etc.

There is no doubt in my mind that the decision by Mark Drakeford was a political one. Personally Im delighted that he's done it to help our local hospitality industry, allow fans back into the CC stadium, plus those who want to watch the rugby.

There is also no doubt in my mind that if he had not been pressurised by forthcoming international matches he would have kept us waiting for Level 0

Of course its a political decision. All this following the science is just a get out for them as they can't explain it any further than that when asked. Eg how can he explain 51 people standing outside while socially distanced is not OK and not too dangerous but 140 sat inside drinking together is absolutely fine. He knows he can't. It's a nonsense.

And now 250k in Cardiff city centre for the rugby is all OK? What nonsense. Its every bit as political as what's happening at downing Street.

[TWGL1]

Having seen Drakeford on TV this morning having is usual bash at the Westminster Government for ' abandoning the science' while he is keeping people safe in Wales, I wonder, if Labour were in power in Westminster, how much more aligned we in Wales would be to England's Covid rules and regulations?

FOI request reveals Welsh Government have no evidence for the imposed restrictions and closure of Nightclubs in December.


https://twitter.com/statsjamie/statu...796407303?s=21

[JamesWales]

I was surprised the clubs didn't bother with any PR to get it reversed before Christmas. All it would have taken is city and swansea to say they are seeking negotiations with Bristol or forest Green about moving home games there and the WG would have folded I think.

The club wouldn't want to upset the WG. On my experience civic society in Wales is very small. Business and cultural groups are small and do not want to bite the hand of the govt that in most cases they are pretty chummy with. Same goes for the media in Wales and charity sector.

It's all a bit cosy.

[life on mars]

What? We’ve only just got ourselves here vaccinated ffs…hopefully the economy will kick on now and we won’t see too many more issues despite the cost of living rising massively. Whilst doing this for the last year we also have to vaccinate the world do we? That’s never going to happen is it? There is still 4 million who haven’t here alone so no point banging that drum any longer. The vaccination programme is practically the only thing the Tories have nailed….

I think they nailed the removal of restrictions due to Omicron not being as deadly as some thought . Some countries were even cancelling events after Xmas Day, England didn't and they were right .

[nomad blue]

Some countries were even cancelling events after Xmas Day, England didn't and they were right .

Haven't there been quite high daily numbers of covid deaths in England recently?

[the other bob wilson]

Haven't there been quite high daily numbers of covid deaths in England recently?

Yes, around eight hundred in the UK (the large majority of them English) died in two days last week - LOM has form for ignoring such things going back months.