IF Drakeford says...

[J R Hartley]

So are you just choosing to completely ignore how wages have been stagnant since basically as long as I've been alive and how house prices have increased drastically? I mean justify this - https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...-average-wages

Older people could work much less and get more for their money, now you're hellbent on pulling up the ladder behind you.

Explain to me how Drakeford doesn't care about the economy or is this something you're just parroting online that you can't actually back up? Tell me how the tories are good economically despite having the highest debt per GDP ratio since world war 2 (and this was before covid). Tell me anything that's getting better in the UK.

You are singing to the choir Dorkus.

I’m only 45 im not pulling any ladder up as I’m not very far up the ladder myself. Ive benefited from having quite a low mortgage as I got on the ladder when I was early 20s and just before the boom in early 2000s but we are also victims of wages not increasing with inflation. I now earn around the average for the UK when I used to earn well above it for doing same job. My wife is a civil servant with the DWP and has barely had a pay rise in 10 years and is practically on minimum wage now so the streets are hardly paved with gold for me either.

I’ve had many sleepless nights over my children’s (17 and 13) future, employment and the wages to house prices being a main factor, so much so 3 years ago I had to go back on anti-depressants because my mental health seriously deteriorated after so many sleepless nights worrying about things so far in the future that I couldn’t control and so wasn’t able to live in the present.

I resent the fact you somehow think I have got it easy compared to your generation and don’t think we care about future generations. You couldn’t be further from the truth.

[Elwood Blues]

You are singing to the choir Dorkus.

I’m only 45 im not pulling any ladder up as I’m not very far up the ladder myself. Ive benefited from having quite a low mortgage as I got on the ladder when I was early 20s and just before the boom in early 2000s but we are also victims of wages not increasing with inflation. I now earn around the average for the UK when I used to earn well above it for doing same job. My wife is a civil servant with the DWP and has barely had a pay rise in 10 years and is practically on minimum wage now so the streets are hardly paved with gold for me either.

I’ve had many sleepless nights over my children’s (17 and 13) future, employment and the wages to house prices being a main factor, so much so 3 years ago I had to go back on anti-depressants because my mental health seriously deteriorated after so many sleepless nights worrying about things so far in the future that I couldn’t control and so wasn’t able to live in the present.

I resent the fact you somehow think I have got it easy compared to your generation and don’t think we care about future generations. You couldn’t be further from the truth.

May I be so bold as to ask what grade your wife is in the Civil Service?

[Van Halen]

This thread is so typical. Old people hate politicians that genuinely try to make things better. They prefer to give their vote to those who take backhanders from the billionaire class and continue along the path of extreme wealth inequality.

I don't think many older people realise this but basically nobody under 40 expects anything good to happen ever again thanks to the boomers.

So anyone who disagrees with the policy choices taken in Wales concerning Covid is automatically a Tory? You can support a Labour government and still criticise its policy choices. In fact I'd say its essential to ensure politicians are held to account. Every election in Wales for the past 20 years has shown there's no appetite for a Tory government in in the Senedd. It's also disrespectful to supporters of the other alternative political parties like Plaid and Lib Dems, both progressive parties who can provide an alternative to the status quo in Wales.

Also, I think you need to step away from social media and broaden your social and professional circles if you genuinely think "nobody under 40 expects anything good to happen ever again". It's too easy for millennials to blame others for their own failings and poor life choices.

[Doucas]

So anyone who disagrees with the policy choices taken in Wales concerning Covid is automatically a Tory? You can support a Labour government and still criticise its policy choices. In fact I'd say its essential to ensure politicians are held to account. Every election in Wales for the past 20 years has shown there's no appetite for a Tory government in in the Senedd. It's also disrespectful to supporters of the other alternative political parties like Plaid and Lib Dems, both progressive parties who can provide an alternative to the status quo in Wales.

Also, I think you need to step away from social media and broaden your social and professional circles if you genuinely think "nobody under 40 expects anything good to happen ever again". It's too easy for millennials to blame others for their own failings and poor life choices.

It's so so typical someone like you would say 'PoOr LiFe ChOicEs' while completely ignoring huge systemiatic issue that the elderly repeatedly vote for, Brexit is just one example. Justify why it should be so much harder for young people to get on the property ladder than it was 40 years ago - https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...-average-wages

Tell me how things are getting better in the UK, give me anything. The economy is ****ed, the climate is ****ed and we are just waiting for the boomers to die off to try and fix the mess you've created.

We're the most educated generation in history yet we have to work far far harder to get the same as the boomers. If you don't have wealthy parents nowadays you're pretty much ****ed.

Before you say 'YoUrE jUsT JeAloUs' I made about £40k on the stock market last year and I'll have paid off my house in about 10 years, I'm not speaking for me I'm speaking for those my age who have done everything right, who have worked hard, who have got a skill but are still getting screwed by the system.

[dml1954]

It's so so typical someone like you would say 'PoOr LiFe ChOicEs' while completely ignoring huge systemiatic issue that the elderly repeatedly vote for, Brexit is just one example. Justify why it should be so much harder for young people to get on the property ladder than it was 40 years ago - https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...-average-wages

Tell me how things are getting better in the UK, give me anything. The economy is ****ed, the climate is ****ed and we are just waiting for the boomers to die off to try and fix the mess you've created.

We're the most educated generation in history yet we have to work far far harder to get the same as the boomers. If you don't have wealthy parents nowadays you're pretty much ****ed.

Before you say 'YoUrE jUsT JeAloUs' I made about £40k on the stock market last year and I'll have paid off my house in about 10 years, I'm not speaking for me I'm speaking for those my age who have done everything right, who have worked hard, who have got a skill but are still getting screwed by the system.

What a bitter and twisted attitude you have towards your fellow human beings in the UK and particularly your elders, who have just as much right to a life and opinion as you do. I am surprised that you are able to get yourself up in the morning. It is the politics of envy, no matter how much you try to deny it. And by the way, if it wasn't for the ‘couldn't give a shit’ attitude of many people under 40, we wouldn't still be sitting in the middle of a pandemic and many thousand less deaths would have occurred, mainly in the older population, who you obviously despise so much.

[chrisp_1927]

It's so so typical someone like you would say 'PoOr LiFe ChOicEs' while completely ignoring huge systemiatic issue that the elderly repeatedly vote for, Brexit is just one example. Justify how much harder it is for young people to get on the property ladder- https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...-average-wages

Tell me how things are getting better in the UK, give me anything. The economy is ****ed, the climate is ****ed and we are just waiting for the boomers to die off to try and fix the mess you've created.

We're the most educated generation in history yet we have to work far far harder to get the same as the boomers. If you don't have wealthy parents nowadays you're pretty much ****ed.

Before you say 'YoUrE jUsT JeAloUs' I made about £40k on the stock market last year and I'll have paid off my house in about 10 years, I'm not speaking for me I'm speaking for those my age who have done everything right, who have worked hard, who have got a skill but are still getting screwed by the system.

That's a really horrible, mean spirited post. The idea that our generation need older people to die so we can fix their mess. Really poor

[Doucas]

That's a really horrible, mean spirited post. The idea that our generation need older people to die so we can fix their mess. Really poor

I really don't care, it's a harsh truth that needs to be said. The amont of older people who deny climate change is staggering, they then vote on mass for governments in the pockets of fossil fuel companies. Not just here but in the US and Australia.

[delmbox]

That's a really horrible, mean spirited post. The idea that our generation need older people to die so we can fix their mess. Really poor

It did come across as a little harsh but this is a bit rich from the guy who was calling people "spineless pricks who deserve hatred" and "vermin" a couple of posts ago

[Dave Blue]

It did come across as a little harsh but this is a bit rich from the guy who was calling people "spineless pricks who deserve hatred" and "vermin" a couple of posts ago

I noticed that too. Unhinged.

[Jordi Culé]

That's a really horrible, mean spirited post. The idea that our generation need older people to die so we can fix their mess. Really poor

He's hardly advocating a 'Logans Run' scenario or running state funded Saga holidays to Dignitas in Switzerland.

He's just pointing out that the older some get the more Tory, xenophobic and selfish fuuckers they become.

He's got a point too and I'm near death.

[Citizen's Nephew]

He's hardly advocating a 'Logans Run' scenario or running state funded Saga holidays to Dignitas in Switzerland.

Brilliant! What a great line. Witty and clever. Win, win.

[The Lone Gunman]

So anyone who disagrees with the policy choices taken in Wales concerning Covid is automatically a Tory?

I also despise this notion. I’ve never voted Tory in my life and never will. I voted Labour in the last election. But I cannot stand Drakeford and I believe many of the additional restrictions we’ve faced here in Wales, both recently and throughout the pandemic, have been unnecessary and occasionally utterly ridiculous.

[Citizen's Nephew]

I also despise this notion. I’ve never voted Tory in my life and never will. I voted Labour in the last election. But I cannot stand Drakeford and I believe many of the additional restrictions we’ve faced here in Wales, both recently and throughout the pandemic, have been unnecessary and occasionally utterly ridiculous.

Yes, I'm of a similar view. I do understand the anger though even if it's not helpful to blanket entire generations and create generational divisions. I'm really depressed about environmental apathy and climate change denial but some of the most prominent and influential scientists who've been working on these issues for the last 3 decades are 60+.

[chrisp_1927]

I really don't care, it's a harsh truth that needs to be said. The amont of older people who deny climate change is staggering, they then vote on mass for governments in the pockets of fossil fuel companies. Not just here but in the US and Australia.

And there aren't climate change deniers , anti vaxers etc in our generation?

[J R Hartley]

So anyone who disagrees with the policy choices taken in Wales concerning Covid is automatically a Tory? You can support a Labour government and still criticise its policy choices. In fact I'd say its essential to ensure politicians are held to account. Every election in Wales for the past 20 years has shown there's no appetite for a Tory government in in the Senedd. It's also disrespectful to supporters of the other alternative political parties like Plaid and Lib Dems, both progressive parties who can provide an alternative to the status quo in Wales.

Also, I think you need to step away from social media and broaden your social and professional circles if you genuinely think "nobody under 40 expects anything good to happen ever again". It's too easy for millennials to blame others for their own failings and poor life choices.

Indeed. Politics has become very tribal. Like you can’t criticise the side you support and never give credit to the opposition.

The notion that if you criticise Drakeford you must be a Tory is utterly absurd.

[J R Hartley]

Yes, I'm of a similar view. I do understand the anger though even if it's not helpful to blanket entire generations and create generational divisions. I'm really depressed about environmental apathy and climate change denial but some of the most prominent and influential scientists who've been working on these issues for the last 3 decades are 60+.

Yep, drawing battle lines on entire generations based on age is not helpful to the cause.

[The Lone Gunman]

Yep, drawing battle lines on entire generations based on age is not helpful to the cause.

I’m a 54 year-old Labour voter (last time around at least) who firmly believes that Welsh Labour would benefit greatly from having a much younger, significantly more charismatic leader than 67 year-old Mark Drakeford.

[J R Hartley]

I’m a 54 year-old Labour voter (last time around at least) who firmly believes that Welsh Labour would benefit greatly from having a much younger, significantly more charismatic leader than 67 year-old Mark Drakeford.

Yep, agree 100%. The whole Labour Party needs a overhaul not just Welsh Labour. The fact Labour have made very little ground against this shit show of a corrupt Tory government, the far worst government in our lifetime, is so depressing.

I’ve always voted Labour except for last election voted Plaid Cymru. I also voted Plaid in the Senedd elections as I cannot stand the Labour AM in Merthyr - Dawn Bowden - a self serving, career politician from Bristol.

Bizarrely, because I’ve been critical of Drakeford in this thread I’m being made out to be a well off Tory nationalist boomer who has pulled the ladder up for future generations.

Plus I’m only 45 I don’t even think that qualifies for the Boomer generation does it?

[Citizen's Nephew]

Yep, agree 100%. The whole Labour Party needs a overhaul not just Welsh Labour. The fact Labour have made very little ground against this shit show of a corrupt Tory government, the far worst government in our lifetime, is so depressing.

I’ve always voted Labour except for last election voted Plaid Cymru. I also voted Plaid in the Senedd elections as I cannot stand the Labour AM in Merthyr - Dawn Bowden - a self serving, career politician from Bristol.

Bizarrely, because I’ve been critical of Drakeford in this thread I’m being made out to be a well off Tory nationalist boomer who has pulled the ladder up for future generations.

That's identical to me, and I was a member of the Labour Party at the time!

[TWGL1]

I’m a 54 year-old Labour voter (last time around at least) who firmly believes that Welsh Labour would benefit greatly from having a much younger, significantly more charismatic leader than 67 year-old Mark Drakeford.

This is spot on .

[chrisp_1927]

Yes, I'm of a similar view. I do understand the anger though even if it's not helpful to blanket entire generations and create generational divisions. I'm really depressed about environmental apathy and climate change denial but some of the most prominent and influential scientists who've been working on these issues for the last 3 decades are 60+.

Very true! After looking at the state of the reading festival site this year. II find it hard to believe that a vast majority of the younger generation are all eco warriors. Good and bad in all generations .

[Croesy Blue]

I’m as much of a biased lefty as can be but the restrictions that were bought in weren’t ridiculous. They were half arsed enough to not make a difference while being full on enough to be a detriment to so many industries with no support.

I think one of the major problems of the pandemic has been not enough joined up thinking between Scotland, wales and England. Sometimes it seemed for the sake of it just to show they had the power to do it.

I’m all for being cautious but 2 years in and with positive data coming out of South Africa and Denmark surely eventually you just have to keep society going to a degree where you aren’t ****ing up everyone’s livelihoods?

[Croesy Blue]

Very true! After looking at the state of the reading festival site this year. II find it hard to believe that a vast majority of the younger generation are all eco warriors. Good and bad in all generations .

You can’t equate a bunch of drunk hungover kids leaving a mess to being against climate change etc ffs

[Mario Miethig]

I also despise this notion. I’ve never voted Tory in my life and never will. I voted Labour in the last election. But I cannot stand Drakeford and I believe many of the additional restrictions we’ve faced here in Wales, both recently and throughout the pandemic, have been unnecessary and occasionally utterly ridiculous.

I’m the same. Nearly every election since I was 18 I’ve voted Labour. I actually despise Drakeford and because of him I voted Plaid at the last assembly elections, even though I’m not a Nationalist.

[chrisp_1927]

You can’t equate a bunch of drunk hungover kids leaving a mess to being against climate change etc ffs

The original poster was trying to say that the older generation don't give a toss about the world around us. The Reading festival analogy is a small visual illustration. The amount of plastic waste, and 'disposable culture' that it represents is hardly in line with eco principles. My point was simple , that in all generations there are people who do give a toss, and those who don't.