I think people may have a different view of him if he was more transparent with the data he releases ,that said he’s not the only one to mislead the public.Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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I think people may have a different view of him if he was more transparent with the data he releases ,that said he’s not the only one to mislead the public.
Shame we can't stick a poll in this thread, that would tell us the answer conclusively
I think what this has established is that, those who disagree with the results of the survey are more likely to express their opinion on the validity of the survey itself.
I think we’d need a poll of around 1,008 people to establish that.
Years ago the opinion of just 10 cat owners was enough to influence people 🙂
Wasn't it 9 out of 10?
I can't remember if it was them preferring it or their cats.
The point I tried to make in a humorous way in my reply to TOBW is the fact that the result of most surveys is almost predetermined by the way the question is asked, or indeed by the question itself. The questions asked tend to lead the person being 'surveyed' to the answer that the pollster wants to hear.
That in itself renders all polls subject to being taken with a 'pinch of salt'.
Only if they expressed a preference. 🤣
Mr Drakeford on TV again today.. that wasn't a covid briefing it was a party political broadcast.
The same thing that Ms Sturgeon was castigated for, using the crisis to make politically motivated statement. It isn't supposed to be allowed.
Government trying to distract people from their handling of the Pandemic" says man trying to distract people from his handling of the Pandemic.
It's bugger all to do with surveys and more to do with fact and science and it does seem Omicron is a very mild version of Covid backed up by the facts there are lots of positive cases and less deaths and folk on ventilation units . Drakeford is playing politics as much as Boris , the only difference is once again whe are late to the opening up party (expected pun) and as business ,jobs and economy falters in Wales along with mental anxiety caused by lockdowns .
And a year from now old Drakeford will fall back on the ( its all Westminsters fault) mantra as Wales struggles from his slowness to open up our economy and protect jobs and livelihoods.
Boris maybe a clown at times but at least he has some boldness and drive to rescue the economy , and Furlough and the vaccine decesions were very forward thinking .
So boldness to drive and rescue the economy is more important than the effects of a virus which, while it is less deadly than previous variants, still results in lots taking time off work and jobs not being done, whereas a more measured approach should result in less people off work and less people being ill.
But its not just about rescuing the economy its about giving people back their freedoms, about people not being locked down unnecessarily, about mental health of millions of people on the understanding, largely vindicated, that this variant was far less deadly than previous ones.
Many people in positions to do so (not least the unions and leaders of the NHS) have constantly tried to up the risk factor, to make the government react, to lockdown, to prevent, to restrict. The government finally got it balls back and did what is best for the majority, and the figures would appear to support the actions.
If you think that tens of millions of people should be restricted (Oops sorry me Drakeford) Protected for the fewer numbers at risk, even when the numbers show that the vast majority of those having a serious life threatening reaction to the disease have not bothered to get vaccinated, then there is no point in continuing the conversation. You are determined to argue that lockdown is good and freedom is bad. So be it.
I am not here to argue that lockdown is good and freedom is bad. You clearly haven't read enough of my posts on this issue or you'd know that is not the case.
I know lots of people who are still wary to go out and enjoy life. The more restrictions are lifted, the more wary they will become.
I've read on here that working from home is bad for everyone. I can prove otherwise. I've read on here that everyone wants restrictions lifted. I can prove otherwise.
The biggest danger from Covid at present is mass absence from work and public and essential services not being fulfilled. Responsible governments, couldn't care less what party is in charge, needs to manage this. We're not at a stage where Covid is just a cold and those who have it would be expected to come into work.
No Eric you cannot 'prove' otherwise unless you can canvas the whole country and 'prove' that working from home is good for everyone. For each of your comments there are those for and against. I acknowledged that when I pointed out that the HNS and unions have been trying to lock things throughout this emergency. They are clearly against, eahc for their own reasons.
You may know people who are afraid to go out and people who prefer to work from home. I do not know any person bar 1 who is afraid to go out, but I know several who like the idea of not having to go out and getting everything done for them.
I know some people are in need of isolation but isn't it true that people we hear about on the news and in the reports who are terrified because they have no immune systems also didn't have the immune systems before the pandemic and they managed their lives satisfactorily. These stories are researched by people who want to broadcast the worst possible scenarios becuase it sells paper or gets clicks.
Human beings are social animals, we prosper from contact with others we grow from it. We need interaction it is in our make-up. Working from home and/or self isolating removes that from a person's life.
Fine if they want to do that but the whole nation doesn't need to be forced to do it with them. It is utter bollox!
I too know lots of people who are wary to go out and enjoy life. I'm not surprised because from dawn until dusk the media continue to highlight Covid as the big news and that frightens many.
Working from home is obviously not bad for everyone, but for my nephew it means sitting in his bedsit with his laptop on the bed, and that's not good. There must be many like him.
We are two years into Covid yet UK governments are still putting restrictions on peoples' lives as if no lessons have been learned. In Wales nearly 2 million people have had three jabs and we know how effective that is. Additionally, there are two oral antivirals available which can reduce the severity of a Covid infection by around 90%.
With such effective pharmaceuticals available it is time we treated it like a cold and I applaud Bojo for taking the lead.
Drakeford boasts that Wales has the best vaccination rate, that antivirals are available for anyone at particular risk, but then introduces rules and regulations that impact our lives and the Welsh economy. It doesn't make sense.
Time to get back to as we were pre-Covid.
We havent been in lockdown. Weve been more than able to interact.
Strange comments.
Its no suprise reading some of the comments. Its the typical Tory attitude im all right screw you.
This is a Global Pandemic. Its great the vaccination programme has gone so well in this and the other richer countries. However this isnt the case globally and in poorer countries. You could swear some have been living in the post war UK listening to some comments.
Until the world is vaccinated we are not out of it. Lift all restrictions. Yeah feck the 80 year old on the bus im not wearing a mask. Lets just travel everywhere without masks no need to isolate even with covid and spread the virus amongst other countries or allow another variant in our own.
We need to get back to as close as normal as we can with some sensible restrictions.
However we need the rest of the world vaccinated. Its scandalous that countries are not allowed to mass produce vaccines due to the vaccine patent. Credit must go to the US , Russia and China for backing the vaccine waver.
However the UK govt ???.... nah we are ok.
What? We’ve only just got ourselves here vaccinated ffs…hopefully the economy will kick on now and we won’t see too many more issues despite the cost of living rising massively. Whilst doing this for the last year we also have to vaccinate the world do we? That’s never going to happen is it? There is still 4 million who haven’t here alone so no point banging that drum any longer. The vaccination programme is practically the only thing the Tories have nailed….
You are way out of touch on this one. AZ gave others the opportunity to manufacture their vaccine and the biggest manufacturer of vaccines in the world, based in India, manufactured it freely. However such manufacture is highly specialised and there are are limited facilities for such world wide. As far as the Russian and Chinese are concerned they decided to manufacture their own and good luck to them.
We will never get to the stage where the global population is going to be vaccinated each year. As it happens the Omicron variant is following an established pattern for viruses...easier to catch but less virulent.
As you say, with sensible precautions...vaccination and anti-virals..there is the opportunity for UK to get back some resemblance of normality in people's lives.
Politicians are taking us for mugs, and you're buying into it. Drakeford sees sense on spectator sports just in time for the rugby internationals, and he says he's following the science...????
Fully agree we need to get as close to normality as soon as possible.
Just sensible restrictions.
You clearly know far more about the pharmaceutical industry than me. Ive taken what ive seen from a QT program about 3 weeks with some guy from I believe a Charity stating that there are countries able to mass produce vaccines which cant due to the refusal of some countries the UK included refusing to allow a patent waver.
Im corrected.
The chip some of you have on your shoulder about rugby existing is ridiculous, the first Wales home game isn't for another 3 weeks which in Covid terms is a lifetime yet it's "JUST IN TIME for the rugby internationals"
What's the cut off for "just in time" then? if he'd have done it a week ago would a month have been "just in time"? I suspect it would because a few of you decided a while ago that he'd cancel them specifically for the 6 Nations so whenever he did it would have to fit that narrative.
Also all of you banging on like you care about hospitality struggling are the ones moaning about restrictions being relaxed by the time the 6 Nations come around, which massively helps hospitality. You can't be angry at everything. Or quite clearly you can but you shouldn't. Cases are coming down, restrictions are being relaxed, hospitality won't miss out on millions during those weekends. Good news all round.
Delmbox is right. I'm pretty critical of Drakeford at this stage of the pandemic, and it's utterly preposterous he is happy for strangers to meet in pubs but not for work colleagues to meet face to face...but, clearly the direction of travel is to open up, and its right to do so, so it's not directly linked to the six nations.
I'm sure the WRU rightly piled the pressure on and he knows what a PR disaster it would have been, but clearly this isnt just because of the six nations or even primarily related to it.
'Just in time' is now when you have three home rugby matches to play with 80,000 at each, tickets to sell, hospitality to arrange, hotel bookings to be made, staff to be hired, beer to be brewed and distributed, police to be organised etc.
There is no doubt in my mind that the decision by Mark Drakeford was a political one. Personally Im delighted that he's done it to help our local hospitality industry, allow fans back into the CC stadium, plus those who want to watch the rugby.
There is also no doubt in my mind that if he had not been pressurised by forthcoming international matches he would have kept us waiting for Level 0
You make some reasonable points just ruined with that 'typical Tory I'm alright jack stuff'. Just completely ridiculous
You seem completely oblivious (on purpose or otherwise) to the utterly unprecedented amounts of money spent on supporting people through this pandemic. It's just so frustrating that people ignore reality to turn these things into cheap party political points.
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