Watching PMQ on Wednesday I sensed the tide had turned. The greased piglet (Cameron's words) will get away with this. I despair.Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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Watching PMQ on Wednesday I sensed the tide had turned. The greased piglet (Cameron's words) will get away with this. I despair.
Take solace that politicians like Johnson will always be on the wrong side of history and be ridiculed. I won't be surprised to see him behind bars in the future. It'll all catch up with him one of these days.
For the record, I stopped watching or listening to the BBC over ten years ago and don't miss it. The only time I watch any TV is if there's live sport I want to watch. Everything is streamed on-demand now. Haven't bothered with QT or PMQs or any of it for that long. Bliss.
For most of my life I have only ever taken a passing interest in politics. Brexit and retirement changed all that.
For me, it's been environmental politics, conservation, and activism for the last 3 decades and there aren't enough emojis on the planet to describe how depressing that is. These days I advocate and am an activist for disability rights too which is also political as our governments can't be trusted on those issues either. As for Brexit, it's made my life far more difficult, expensive, and complicated. But hey, those blue passports are world-beating.For most of my life I have only ever taken a passing interest in politics. Brexit and retirement changed all that
What's the saying? There's no honour amongst thieves?
Brexit: Tory brainwashing of the masses. Give them credit, they've succeeded.
Surprised today’s events in Parliament have not had a single message posted on here. I gave it a miss because I thought it would be an establishment stitch up, but, watching Channel 4 news, it doesn’t seem to have gone to plan for Johnson - Theresa May and Andrew Mitchell put the boot into the PM and a very annoyed member of the 2019 intake of new Tory MPs asked if Johnson thought he was a fool after he spoke of how he had followed the rules to the letter at a funeral he attended - an angry Ruth Davidson was fighting back the tears as she was interviewed about the situation just now.
I just want to find a quiet room and lie down!
Sadly this is exactly what the Tories are hoping for from Joe Public at large....that we will get “Partygate fatigue” and the whole affair slipping quietly out of the headlines. The Met Police investigation is clearly not going to completed as quickly as the Gray report was and probably some individuals will be fined. Then Boris Johnston can instigate his new guidelines as to how No.10 will be run and then he can get on with tackling those issues that the "British people are really concerned about". Job done – Teflon P.M. wins again!
What a stroke of luck for him yet again in that neither Labour or Lib Dems are fielding candidates in the Southend by-election!
actually I think that the best thing for labour is if Johnson clings on to power for now, but some later gaffe drags him down much closer to the next election.
I think "The Tories" are hoping more than most that Boris Johnson resigns!
I was off work and watched a lot of it. It wasn't all one way traffic but at least half of the Conservative MPs that spoke or asked questions were critical. That was probably more powerful and damaging than anything the opposition did tbh. You cant survive long term like that
I agree, but I’d also say Mozzer was right in that Starmer pitched his speech well - Johnson’s Jimmy Saville jibe did not go down well with many Conservative MPs, he sounded rattled to me.
I agree.
I normally really enjoy listening to parliament (tragic, I know..) but am finding it all pretty ugly at the moment.
I'd love to know what his next pitch Is , if any man needed a war now, its him
Watch out Russia, we're coming for you.
As Tony Soprano would say "don't f*ck with the Russians". Napolean, Hitler, Johnson. It won't end well.
Edit: Oh, and Truss!
It's pretty quiet on the politics board so I don't think a long cut-and-paste post is out of order. I was reading some BTL comments re. Johnson in The Guardian and someone highlighted Mark Twain's quote "If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything". This then prompted someone to say that Twain was referring to 'normal lying' and that Johnathon Swift wrote any essay about political lying published in the Tory Paper - The Examiner - in 1710. Here it is:
There is one essential point wherein a political liar differs from others of the faculty, that he ought to have but a short memory, which is necessary, according to the various occasions he meets with every hour of differing from himself, and swearing to both sides of a contradiction, as he finds the persons disposed with whom he hath to deal. In describing the virtues and vices of mankind, it is convenient, upon every article, to have some eminent person in our eye, from whom we copy our description. I have strictly observed this rule, and my imagination this minute represents before me a certain great man famous for this talent, to the constant practice of which he owes his twenty years’ reputation of the most skilful head in England, for the management of nice affairs. The superiority of his genius consists in nothing else but an inexhaustible fund of political lies, which he plentifully distributes every minute he speaks, and by an unparalleled generosity forgets, and consequently contradicts, the next half hour. He never yet considered whether any proposition were true or false, but whether it were convenient for the present minute or company to affirm or deny it; so that if you think fit to refine upon him, by interpreting everything he says, as we do dreams, by the contrary, you are still to seek, and will find yourself equally deceived whether you believe or not: the only remedy is to suppose, that you have heard some inarticulate sounds, without any meaning at all; and besides, that will take off the horror you might be apt to conceive at the oaths, wherewith he perpetually tags both ends of every proposition; although, at the same time, I think he cannot with any justice be taxed with perjury, when he invokes God and Christ, because he hath often fairly given public notice to the world that he believes in neither.
Some people may think, that such an accomplishment as this can be of no great use to the owner, or his party, after it has been often practised, and is become notorious; but they are widely mistaken. Few lies carry the inventor’s mark, and the most prostitute enemy to truth may spread a thousand, without being known for the author: besides, as the vilest writer hath his readers, so the greatest liar hath his believers: and it often happens, that if a lie be believed only for an hour, it hath done its work, and there is no further occasion for it. Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it, so that when men come to be undeceived, it is too late; the jest is over, and the tale hath had its effect: like a man, who hath thought of a good repartee when the discourse is changed, or the company parted; or like a physician, who hath found out an infallible medicine, after the patient is dead.
Does this remind you of anyone?
I think it'll be death by a thousand cuts and that will be the worst possible outcome for the Tories. Bloody great 👍
well i thought Keir Starmer was brilliant in his speech yesterday in the house of commons and for Bojo to bring up the jimmy saville case was disgusting to me a man born of frustration and lies
Accusing the Labour front bench of drug-taking was quite something too, although the Labour question that prompted that response was bizarre too.
Thing about Johnson is that the more he denies misleading, the more he misleads. There's the Saville thing, but also his constant reference to UK having the fastest G7 economic growth. It completely depends on the period you look at. For the last calendar year this is true (partly down to recovery from the low point reached after the early part of the pandemic) but it is some way off the mark for the period of the whole pandemic or for the last quarter.
Agree with posts above that it's probably better for Labour that he stays - Davies's death by a thousand cuts - and it seems likely that Cummings has a few more hand grenades. On the other hand, I'm worried about the further damage he will do, domestically and internationally. It terrifies me (thinking back to his time as foreign secretary) that he is currently in Ukraine.
The word on the streets is that our friend Dom Cummings has more interesting tit bits which he is planning to drip feed strategically into the public domain.
It seems Johnson has lost the One Nation group of Tories and it's unlikely they will ever back him again. He looks like losing the bulk of the Red Wall intake and drip by drip some Brexiteers are disowning him too.
I predict that if he hangs about too long this might be the catalyst to produce a Tory break up. The internal tensions cannot prevail without causing catastrophic damage to the party and I can't see that being allowed to happen.
A new Progressive Party replete with a sprinkling of Lib Dems and Labour's centrist element could be the tonic the country needs in these troubled times.
I know he has no vote now but William Hague is very critical in the Times today as well
He has gone .
Onto a big aeroplane today.
Close the border .
The Times is my go to radio station and many Tories have had thier view including the dark Lord Graham Brady
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