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Thread: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

  1. #21

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    The ONS gives figures weekly based on all deaths registered involving Covid-19, according to what a doctor puts on the death certificate, whether in or out of hospital
    The virus may not be the main cause of death, just a factor. There does not need to have been a positive test - it could be it was just suspected by the doctor

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52380643

  2. #22

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Office for Statistics for England and Wales reveals that just 17,371 deaths had Covid as the ONLY cause of death on death certs over 21 months.
    Average age at death of these was 81/82 years.
    The rest had other underlying health issues.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHv...r.JohnCampbell
    I've watched Dr Campbell regularly throughout.
    I really appreciate what he has done and how he has done it through this whole thing.

  3. #23

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    The ONS gives figures weekly based on all deaths registered involving Covid-19, according to what a doctor puts on the death certificate, whether in or out of hospital
    The virus may not be the main cause of death, just a factor. There does not need to have been a positive test - it could be it was just suspected by the doctor
    I'm aware of this. I should think most of us are by now. But we still haven't established what it is that's so revelatory about the figures quoted in the video.

  4. #24

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    What's incredible? What am I missing?
    Doesn't surprise me in the least that you don't 'get it'.

  5. #25

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Doesn't surprise me in the least that you don't 'get it'.
    Come on then, oh great one. Let us in on the secret. Tell us another story.

  6. #26

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Doesn't surprise me in the least that you don't 'get it'.
    Why is it incredible though? How many people in this country have absolutely zero health conditions and aren’t overweight, don’t drink and don’t smoke? 18k of those people died because of Covid. Okay. What’s your point?

    Someone with a pre existing heart condition who’s heart fails because of Covid shouldn’t count as a Covid death?

    There have been 150k excess deaths and something has caused that massive increase. What is it?

  7. #27

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    Why is it incredible though? How many people in this country have absolutely zero health conditions and arenít overweight, donít drink and donít smoke? 18k of those people died because of Covid. Okay. Whatís your point?

    Someone with a pre existing heart condition whoís heart fails because of Covid shouldnít count as a Covid death?

    There have been 150k excess deaths and something has caused that massive increase. What is it?
    Quite right.

    A virus comes along and causes lots of deaths, even if the virus itself isn't the actual cause of death, but a factor. We get some cretins who are trying to suggest that, because it isn't the cause itself, that the other health issues are the main problem, not the virus. THESE PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE DIED IF COVID HADN'T EXISTED.

  8. #28

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    To put this into perspective, deaths from flu & pneumonia in 2018 was 29,516.
    To put this into further perspective, according to the ONS, the total number of deaths in England and Wales in 2018 from influenza ALONE was 1,598. For 2019, the figure was 1,223.

  9. #29

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    The main point is being missed here.

    There is a difference between deaths WITH Covid and deaths FROM Covid.

    That knowledge should have been factored into how the authorities dealt with the situation.

    Think about it.....

  10. #30

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    The main point is being missed here.

    There is a difference between deaths WITH Covid and deaths FROM Covid.

    That knowledge should have been factored into how the authorities dealt with the situation.

    Think about it.....
    Are you suggesting that deaths from Covid are irrelevant when considering Deaths from Covid?

  11. #31

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Are you suggesting that deaths from Covid are irrelevant when considering Deaths from Covid?
    Huh?

    What is being exposed here are the scaremongering tactics of governments.

    Dr Campbell is demonstrating that there is a difference between dying FROM Covid than WITH Covid - in other words, deaths with "Covid" and deaths from "Covid" are completely different.

    Therefore, the vaccination programme might have had target groups rather than attempting to jab everybody.

    As a result of governments' propoganda, the general public, whether healthy or unhealthy, has been duped into a state of fear and panic about the effects of the pandemic and their responses to it have been devastating to the provision of surgical care. Many who have been monitoring excess deaths have suspected a skewing of the data but didn't have the last piece of the puzzle ie the low death rate from Covid alone.

    There are sub-plots here. For example: 1) if this had been made plain, it might have encouraged those with co-morbidities that they could do something about (such as obesity) to address their condition. 2) The mental anguish induced by the blanket fear of contracting Covid might have been less severe among the healthy.

  12. #32

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    The main point is being missed here.

    There is a difference between deaths WITH Covid and deaths FROM Covid.

    That knowledge should have been factored into how the authorities dealt with the situation.

    Think about it.....
    What should they have done?

  13. #33

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Huh?

    What is being exposed here are the scaremongering tactics of governments.

    Dr Campbell is demonstrating that there is a difference between dying FROM Covid than WITH Covid - in other words, deaths with "Covid" and deaths from "Covid" are completely different.

    Therefore, the vaccination programme might have had target groups rather than attempting to jab everybody.

    As a result of governments' propoganda, the general public, whether healthy or unhealthy, has been duped into a state of fear and panic about the effects of the pandemic and their responses to it have been devastating to the provision of surgical care. Many who have been monitoring excess deaths have suspected a skewing of the data but didn't have the last piece of the puzzle ie the low death rate from Covid alone.

    There are sub-plots here. For example: 1) if this had been made plain, it might have encouraged those with co-morbidities that they could do something about (such as obesity) to address their condition. 2) The mental anguish induced by the blanket fear of contracting Covid might have been less severe among the healthy.
    The 'death with covid' figure isn't static and it would have gone up if there were a) more interaction within society and b) less people vaccinated. Also I don't know if it is apparent to everybody but the government of the UK was relatively light touch (they actually brag about it) and only really intervened when it looked possible that NHS bed figures could be breached, i.e. you weren't actually very 'locked down'.

    'If people were told Covid was less serious then they might have lost some weight' is a particularly strange take, I can't even figure out how you get there.

    I know a few people in their 30's and 40's who caught Covid and have seen not only a drawn out and quite debilitating initial illness but also longer term effects ranging from significant memory loss to breathing related. You might want to believe that the government scared people but I definitely saw quite a few peoples behaviour change once a close relative or friend got it bad, including mine (this was recently and I had become a bit relaxed/bored of the whole thing)

  14. #34

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Huh?

    What is being exposed here are the scaremongering tactics of governments.

    Dr Campbell is demonstrating that there is a difference between dying FROM Covid than WITH Covid - in other words, deaths with "Covid" and deaths from "Covid" are completely different.

    Therefore, the vaccination programme might have had target groups rather than attempting to jab everybody.

    As a result of governments' propoganda, the general public, whether healthy or unhealthy, has been duped into a state of fear and panic about the effects of the pandemic and their responses to it have been devastating to the provision of surgical care. Many who have been monitoring excess deaths have suspected a skewing of the data but didn't have the last piece of the puzzle ie the low death rate from Covid alone.

    There are sub-plots here. For example: 1) if this had been made plain, it might have encouraged those with co-morbidities that they could do something about (such as obesity) to address their condition. 2) The mental anguish induced by the blanket fear of contracting Covid might have been less severe among the healthy.
    Two years in and people are still concentrating on deaths only.

    If groups were vaccinated and not everyone, it would mean many more variants.

    Your point 1 - people who are obese already know that it affects their health negatively. What are they going to do to "address their condition" in the short space of time that covid spreads?

    And scaremongering tactics of governments? ALL governments simultaneously? To what purpose? How do they benefit?

  15. #35

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    'If people were told Covid was less serious then they might have lost some weight' is a particularly strange take, I can't even figure out how you get there.
    Read what I actually wrote again.

  16. #36

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Huh?

    What is being exposed here are the scaremongering tactics of governments.

    Dr Campbell is demonstrating that there is a difference between dying FROM Covid than WITH Covid - in other words, deaths with "Covid" and deaths from "Covid" are completely different.

    Therefore, the vaccination programme might have had target groups rather than attempting to jab everybody.

    As a result of governments' propoganda, the general public, whether healthy or unhealthy, has been duped into a state of fear and panic about the effects of the pandemic and their responses to it have been devastating to the provision of surgical care. Many who have been monitoring excess deaths have suspected a skewing of the data but didn't have the last piece of the puzzle ie the low death rate from Covid alone.

    There are sub-plots here. For example: 1) if this had been made plain, it might have encouraged those with co-morbidities that they could do something about (such as obesity) to address their condition. 2) The mental anguish induced by the blanket fear of contracting Covid might have been less severe among the healthy.
    What are you babbling about? The vaccination did have target groups. The oldest and most vulnerable were jabbed first, the rollout then carried on in descending age order and vulnerability.

    What’s skewed the excess deaths? You’ve said they’re skewed but not said by what, you’ve (allegedly) got the last piece of the puzzle so you should know, no?

    Instead of lockdown your strategy would be convince overweight people to exercise and lose weight? How long would you expect that to take? How would you deal with the people that don’t follow your advice? How would you deal with (assuming the majority did follow your advice) the increase in vulnerable people using gyms and increased interactions and risks of transmission?

  17. #37

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    This is 2020 conspiracy rubbish. Thankfully there's really not so much of it about any more, which is why this thread stands out.

  18. #38

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Come on then, oh great one. Let us in on the secret. Tell us another story.
    The secret is: you make your mind up, look for a YouTube video to validate it and ignore anything else that provides evidence to the contrary.

  19. #39

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    This is 2020 conspiracy rubbish. Thankfully there's really not so much of it about any more, which is why this thread stands out.
    Exactly, right from the start, there were a rump of people who refused to believe that Covid was the killer it has turned out to be (reading the early pages of the main Covid thread on here is very revealing in the cases of some contributors). In the last week, the UK has seen the highest number of Covid deaths in almost a year and still we get this pointless “with” or “from” Covid stuff - what does it matter? Over 150,000 people in this country have died in less than two years after catching Covid and, in every case, the virus was deemed to have played a part in the death - the UK’s figures are among the worst in Europe, I dread to think what they would have been like if we’d treated Covid as lightly as some on here said we should.

  20. #40

    Re: Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    This is 2020 conspiracy rubbish. Thankfully there's really not so much of it about any more, which is why this thread stands out.

    How is having a viewpoint on official ONS data a conspiracy. People are entitled to debate and question it without being closed down.

    Every death from anything is tragic but the media should also give a balanced view to reassure the public. I hope there is a proper enquiry into this.

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