Highway Code changes.

[JamesWales]

Because it doesn’t really allow motorists to pass them more easily it allows them to pass them more dangerously.

When over taking a bike or a horse you should give it a full car width. When they’re on one side of the lane it encourages people to over take on single carriage roads when there isn’t enough space.

You can always spot people who can’t not be biased in these situations because they constantly turn it into us vs them when what is actually needed is understanding from the other person’s point of view.

It depends entirely on the road, the widths of which vary, there may be parked cars, the other lane may be quiet or busy.

It does seem that much of the chat in this thread is based on a misinterpretation anyway, but I don't see what is gained by keeping in the middle of the lane when the left hand side of it is safe. I think, in practice, it will make cyclists more in danger as it will enrage drivers who may be late etc. And yes, maybe they shouldnt be enraged, but this is a Real Politik situation.

And I am a cyclist and a driver. In fact, driving comes below the train and walking for me, so I'm not remotely a petrol head, I just dont see the benefit in winding people up.

[Croesy Blue]

If people are getting wound up by cyclists they shouldn’t be on the road.

If there are parked cars etc how could there be space to safely pass? I imagine what will happen is people will use common sense but I think people knowing cyclists are safer in the middle of a lane is what we should be aiming for.

[JamesWales]

If people are getting wound up by cyclists they shouldn’t be on the road.

If there are parked cars etc how could there be space to safely pass? I imagine what will happen is people will use common sense but I think people knowing cyclists are safer in the middle of a lane is what we should be aiming for.

Why should someone not be wound up if they are late for their kids school or for an important train journey? Theres one train an hour now from my local station - things like that make time more precious. It's understandable someone would get fed up.

And again, Real Politik - you can say they 'shouldnt be on the road' but they are on the road. So it's reckless to just pretend it away.

I cited the parked cars as an example of where someone wouldn't want to be to the side of the lane (due to opening doors), but where its safe to do so, I think cyclists should be.

That said, as I acknowledge, there's misinformation on this thread anyway, and so I'm sure that's what will happen in most instances!

I just think beware the rule of unintended consequences that can come from advising cyclist to go down the middle of lanes, or advising pedestrians they have priority at certain junctions etc

[Croesy Blue]

If someone is late for dropping their kids off for school because there is a cyclist on the road it isn’t the cyclists fault is it?

Getting wound up and angry about it is pathetic, the number one reason I wouldn’t cycle on the roads. Immature idiots who should know better getting wound up and not knowing how to drive.

[JamesWales]

If someone is late for dropping their kids off for school because there is a cyclist on the road it isn’t the cyclists fault is it?

Getting wound up and angry about it is pathetic, the number one reason I wouldn’t cycle on the roads. Immature idiots who should know better getting wound up and not knowing how to drive.

It may or may not be pathetic, but it's a part of life, and someone being late because someone else is tootling along and not allowing people to pass will still encourage more rage, stress and incidents.

Better to live in the real world!

[The Bloop]

It may or may not be pathetic, but it's a part of life, and someone being late because someone else is tootling along and not allowing people to pass will still encourage more rage, stress and incidents.

Better to live in the real world!

Given the amount of space drivers should leave when overtaking cyclists, your rage should be directed at vehicles on the opposite side of the road, preventing you from overtaking, and not at the cyclists themselves.

[JamesWales]

Given the amount of space drivers should leave when overtaking cyclists, your rage should be directed at vehicles on the opposite side of the road, preventing you from overtaking, and not at the cyclists themselves.

It's not rage...it's trying to prevent rage.

Cars on the other side of the road aren't holding anyone up though are they, whereas a cyclist in the middle of the lane going slowly, quite possibly is.

Don't pretend it's not an issue. It is. It may be arsehole drivers or cyclist being obstinate - point is, we all need to share the roads, and courtesy is needed on all sides, and if someone can safely cycle to the side, they should - and 95% will.

[the other bob wilson]

With the building of new houses close by, the very narrow road which takes you from Pentrebane to St Fagans was getting busier at the time I moved from the area four years ago. That road had stretches where it was impossible for cars driving in different directions to pass each other and it was often a tight squeeze where they could. Similarly, the busy road from St Fagans level crossing up to Culverhouse Cross is very narrow in places. On both roads there is no pavement and yet it's not that unusual to come across people walking along both roads (I've done it myself a few times).

Furthermore, it's not very unusual to come across people riding horses on the Pentrebane to St Fagans road - is the expectation that any car that is behind a pedestrian or horse rider on that stretch of road should remain so for the whole of the mile or so before the road widens a bit? Good luck with that when it means that, in my experience, it takes about fifteen to twenty minutes to walk that stretch.

[Whisperer]

They can change the Highway code as much as they like - no one enforces the road rules anymore, apart from parking. I ain't been pulled over for a good 35 years.

[lardy]

They can change the Highway code as much as they like - no one enforces the road rules anymore, apart from parking. I ain't been pulled over for a good 35 years.

How regularly are you breaking the law?

[Whisperer]

How regularly are you breaking the law?

A routine check now and again keeps things in order imho…wasn’t so long ago one of our Merthyr Bluebirds was killed on A470 - inquest stated no seatbelt and minimum tyre tread, maybe a pull might have saved his life. It was very sad.

[splott parker]

Next task is to get cyclists off the pavements and pedestrian areas

[life on mars]

Next task is to get cyclists off the pavements and pedestrian areas

Isn't it sad you feel you need to hide behind a wall to say this I know your joking but in reality that the state of our society now

[lardy]

A routine check now and again keeps things in order imho…wasn’t so long ago one of our Merthyr Bluebirds was killed on A470 - inquest stated no seatbelt and minimum tyre tread, maybe a pull might have saved his life. It was very sad.

That is sad, and while I don't want to sound insensitive, I wouldn't blame the authorities and police for this one.