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Thread: Ukraine Conflict Getting Very Close

  1. #101

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    Haven't we been told for the past three years or so that a russian attack on Ukraine is 'imminent' and isn't there a legally binding document that says that Georgia and Ukraine were not to considered for membership to NATO? Putin is an absolute piece of shit, but what would America or Britain do if Russia or china decided to put warheads in Northern France of Ireland, which could happen if Ukraine join NATO.

  2. #102

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Haven't we been told for the past three years or so that a russian attack on Ukraine is 'imminent' and isn't there a legally binding document that says that Georgia and Ukraine were not to considered for membership to NATO? Putin is an absolute piece of shit, but what would America or Britain do if Russia or china decided to put warheads in Northern France of Ireland, which could happen if Ukraine join NATO.
    Got that wrong, Russia want a legally binding agreement over Ukraine and Georgia's entry into NATO, in that they are not invited.

  3. #103

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Got that wrong, Russia want a legally binding agreement over Ukraine and Georgia's entry into NATO, in that they are not invited.
    How can one country dictate on anothers free choices is beyond me however upsetting it is , its highly unlikely that Georgia or Ukraine will park its forces in a threatening manner towards Russia . This whole thing sounds like a damaged Russian leaders ego and hanging onto power.

  4. #104

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    If the Ukraine wants to join Nato why should they back down to the Ruskies?
    I hope nato backs the Ukraine in whichever way possible until the dictator backs down

  5. #105

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    Are Russia really worried about NATO on the border ( NATO has been doing border exercises for years in the Ukraine, some of our soldiers train in the snow that way )

    the idea that they are worried about missiles being pointed at them doesn't add up either, as Poznań to Moscow is only 1600 km away ( St Petersburg is even less ) so even medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM) will hit it from the NATO base, infact the MRBM will hit most of Russia

  6. #106

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    Are Russia really worried about NATO on the border ( NATO has been doing border exercises for years in the Ukraine, some of our soldiers train in the snow that way )

    the idea that they are worried about missiles being pointed at them doesn't add up either, as Poznań to Moscow is only 1600 km away ( St Petersburg is even less ) so even medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM) will hit it from the NATO base, infact the MRBM will hit most of Russia
    They just don't want the Ukraine joining Nato because i think they see it has weakening Russia.
    I believe they want to build another soviet union and see the Ukraine has messing it up

  7. #107

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    Time for the West to man up to Putin .

    The arrogance of the Salisbury poisonings is still fresh in the mind as Is the annexing of Crimea , and let's not forget the fourteen thousand lost life's during this conflict .

  8. #108

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    would be a shot in the arm for the defence industry tho

  9. #109

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Time for the West to man up to Putin .

    The arrogance of the Salisbury poisonings is still fresh in the mind as Is the annexing of Crimea , and let's not forget the fourteen thousand lost life's during this conflict .
    And the Malaysia airlines jet they shot down killing everyone including about 60 Dutch children

  10. #110

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    Putin doesn't tolerate political rivalry. His rivals are either in prison, dead or recovering from poisoning in hospital.

  11. #111

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five View Post
    Putin doesn't tolerate political rivalry. His rivals are either in prison, dead or recovering from poisoning in hospital.
    Which really tells you all you need to know…..

  12. #112

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    Sky News reporting some Russian troops being pulled back from the Ukraine border and some tanks being loaded back onto trains.

  13. #113

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five View Post
    Sky News reporting some Russian troops being pulled back from the Ukraine border and some tanks being loaded back onto trains.
    If true that is wonderful news for all of us , as we will all be effected especially those who are seeing inflation and excessive fuel bills , the world is suffering big time with Covid and supply chains we don't need this .

  14. #114

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five View Post
    Putin doesn't tolerate political rivalry. His rivals are either in prison, dead or recovering from poisoning in hospital.
    To be fair the same can be said about the US

  15. #115

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    Quote Originally Posted by OurManFlint II View Post
    To be fair the same can be said about the US
    it isn't even remotely comparable

  16. #116

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    it isn't even remotely comparable
    Oh really....

  17. #117

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    Quote Originally Posted by OurManFlint II View Post
    Oh really....
    how many USA presidential candidates are assassinated, or arrested under false pretences?
    how many US journalists are thrown to their deaths from 5th floor windows for any kind of criticism of the president ?

  18. #118

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    Quote Originally Posted by OurManFlint II View Post
    Oh really....
    Three different people have won the last three elections in the us. It's hardly "don't tolerate political rivalry" on the level of Russia.

  19. #119

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    USA is far from perfect but has a key difference to Russia , Democracy and freedom of speech .

  20. #120

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    USA is far from perfect but has a key difference to Russia , Democracy and freedom of speech .
    Sure, and don't the rest of the world know it.

  21. #121

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    Quote Originally Posted by OurManFlint II View Post
    Oh really....
    https://twitter.com/g900ap/status/12...6aOSOshog&s=19

  22. #122

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    About 50 countries/elections easily, depends on you you use for references. If that's not "Doesn't tolerate political rivalry." i don't know what the f*** is.

    Again, this is not a defense of Putin but people who can't see the parallels and hypocrisy are maddening.

  23. #123

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    USA is far from perfect but has a key difference to Russia , Democracy and freedom of speech .
    Freedom of speech. Unless you expose their war crimes, in which case they'll plot to assassinate you, bribe key witnesses to lie in court, leave you to rot in Belmarsh prison, try to extradite you so they can perform a show trial and chuck you in solitary confinement for the rest of your life etc. etc.

    Calling the US a democracy is also a bit of a stretch. Same goes for the UK. But they're not as bad as Russia so it's fine.

  24. #124

    Re: Ukraine Conflict Getting Very Close

    Quote Originally Posted by OurManFlint II View Post
    About 50 countries/elections easily, depends on you you use for references. If that's not "Doesn't tolerate political rivalry." i don't know what the f*** is.

    Again, this is not a defense of Putin but people who can't see the parallels and hypocrisy are maddening.
    Not sure what exactly you're replying to here with 50.

    The US is in no way an example of how to do things, it's a mess. But it's not comparable to Russia with death and imprisonment.

  25. #125

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymond Holt View Post
    Freedom of speech. Unless you expose their war crimes, in which case they'll plot to assassinate you, bribe key witnesses to lie in court, leave you to rot in Belmarsh prison, try to extradite you so they can perform a show trial and chuck you in solitary confinement for the rest of your life etc. etc.

    Calling the US a democracy is also a bit of a stretch. Same goes for the UK. But they're not as bad as Russia so it's fine.
    nobody is saying that the USA is perfect, but there is no comparison with Putin.

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