Ukraine Conflict Getting Very Close

[Citizen's Nephew]

I'm not so sure. If they could gather 100's of thousands, with people armed with mobile phone cameras nowadays and the Internet. It might not be so easy to suppress, as it previously was.

I hope it happens your way mate. I do wonder when you're as powerful as Russia and China whether they'd be concerned. I'm just pretty beaten down by global injustice and have become very cynical. I try not to be.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

I hope it happens your way mate. I do wonder when you're as powerful as Russia and China whether they'd be concerned. I'm just pretty beaten down by global injustice and have become very cynical. I try not to be.

I got you (thumbs up smiley)

[Organ Morgan.]

Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a very controversial Russian politician and ultra Russian nationalist, predicted during an address he made in their parliament on December 27 last year the date and exact time Russia would invade Ukraine. It would be at 4am on 22-02-2022. Which is 1am UK time.

Putin's address to his citizens earlier gave tons of hints that conflict is very close.

Russia's main stock market finished the day 17% lower.

Video of Zhirinovsky making his remarks is here: https://twitter.com/francska1/status...74850458226689

[Rjk]

https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/st..._xjelyDkw&s=19

[Organ Morgan.]

Putin spoke for six hours earlier on. The part I watched he said their Communist government during the 1920s gave away Russian land to Ukraine when it had no business to. He seemed to be justifying to his people why his military will reclaim more of its former territory. He said much the same when they grabbed Crimea back some years ago.

With less than four hours to go before the anticipated start I'm off to Spar to get six loaves for the chest freezer and lots of Pot Noodles as a precaution.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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You really believe all of the people outside Russia are responsible for what goes on there? We cannot control what’s happening there and neither can the elected politicians of the Western Alliance nor any other Country.

It was in reply to a comment relating to a $100M Yacht being refurbished in Hamburg. That kind of obscene personal wealth comes via global capitalism. It's in Hamburg so that's German engineering and facilities. We're all responsible for global capitalism. That was the context. As far as politicians are concerned, I've posted many times that I despise the lot of them these days. Some political parties happily take Russian money. Mayfair is on the Russian (Putin's) Monopoly board. We can't just abdicate our responsibilities.

Edit: Our own Prime Minister socialises with Russian multibillionaires. The whole system is corrupt. We keep voting these people in. It's just a game to them. Civilians and innocent people will always be in the crossfire. Same as it ever was.

[Gofer Blue]

Putin "recognises" the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s "Republics” as “independent” states. Russian troops will be sent in to act as a "peacekeeping force". Here we go.....

Expect a staged false-flag attack on their territory supposedly from the Ukrainian army any day soon, justifying a full scale incursion by Russian troops into western Ukraine.

[MOZZER2]

footage of convoy of russian military going into Ukraine or 'the peoples republic' in the last hour allegedly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQdJ_MtcUus

lots of noise on social media claiming this to be true

[+ the native hipster]

thats chelsea ****ed

[Taunton Blue Genie]

footage of convoy of russian military going into Ukraine or 'the peoples republic' in the last hour allegedly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQdJ_MtcUus

lots of noise on social media claiming this to be true

Infallible evidence, that

[MOZZER2]

Infallible evidence, that

Ukrainian Member of Parliament just posted video of Russian tanks in Eastern Ukraine, being spread by Russian social media channels. The invasion has begun. Deterrence has failed. Pray for the innocent. https://t.co/rP8x0CzPVL

— Josh Rogin (@joshrogin) February 21, 2022

[Tuerto]

Infallible evidence, that

The first vehicle that went through looked to be a Fiat Punto.

[AfricanBluebird]

Putin "recognises" the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s "Republics” as “independent” states. Russian troops will be sent in to act as a "peacekeeping force". Here we go.....

Expect a staged false-flag attack on their territory supposedly from the Ukrainian army any day soon, justifying a full scale incursion by Russian troops into western Ukraine.

indeed.

My thoughts, for what they are worth (not much I know).

• Russia, under Putin, have always been bad actors on the global stage.
• Our government literally did NOTHING of note while the Russian state killed people on our own soil.
• Russian money have long since been funnelled into our politics and especially (over the last 20 years) to the Tory party.
• We have allowed Russian money, from oligarchs, to swish around London - politics, businesses, housing, retail etc
• The UK government buried the Russian report, redacted some of it and paid lip service to the version which was available
• Biden is a weak leader and Blinken is no John Kerry!

Of course Putin wants to expand the Russian empire... it's a major goal of his... BREXIT, Trump and the Tories have all been pawns in their long term plan to destabilise NATO and the EU to create conditions for Russian incursions. Interestingly Putin waited until Angela Merkel retired before this, because she was probably the strongest and most diplomatically astute leader in Europe/World.

So it is hardly surprising that our response to Russian has been wishy washy.

The western media and response have been really poor in reporting. Putin was never going to launch an attack directly on Kiev... but through separatist territories.

[AfricanBluebird]

In 2018, after the poisoning of Sergei Skripal, NATO called an urgency summit to discuss Russian sanctions. Johnson left it, skipped his security detail & flew to Italy where he met an ex-KGB officer whose son he later ennobled.

What a fecking eejit.

[Tuerto]

Putin "recognises" the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s "Republics” as “independent” states. Russian troops will be sent in to act as a "peacekeeping force". Here we go.....

Expect a staged false-flag attack on their territory supposedly from the Ukrainian army any day soon, justifying a full scale incursion by Russian troops into western Ukraine.

I wish that Putin would hurry up, it would save so many people the bother of saying. 'It'll be here in a minute' day after day.

[Rjk]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e_iOSApp_Other

[Rjk]

I wish that Putin would hurry up, it would save so many people the bother of saying. 'It'll be here in a minute' day after day.

seems as though you have your wish, Russian tanks invade the Donbas

[Elwood Blues]

Ben Wallace not very impressed with Jeremy Corbyn's contribution to yesterday's debate!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmqGbik7if8

[xsnaggle]

indeed.

My thoughts, for what they are worth (not much I know).

• Russia, under Putin, have always been bad actors on the global stage.
• Our government literally did NOTHING of note while the Russian state killed people on our own soil.
• Russian money have long since been funnelled into our politics and especially (over the last 20 years) to the Tory party.
• We have allowed Russian money, from oligarchs, to swish around London - politics, businesses, housing, retail etc
• The UK government buried the Russian report, redacted some of it and paid lip service to the version which was available
• Biden is a weak leader and Blinken is no John Kerry!

Of course Putin wants to expand the Russian empire... it's a major goal of his... BREXIT, Trump and the Tories have all been pawns in their long term plan to destabilise NATO and the EU to create conditions for Russian incursions. Interestingly Putin waited until Angela Merkel retired before this, because she was probably the strongest and most diplomatically astute leader in Europe/World.

So it is hardly surprising that our response to Russian has been wishy washy.

The western media and response have been really poor in reporting. Putin was never going to launch an attack directly on Kiev... but through separatist territories.

So all in all we should have just had you in charge for the last 20 years then none of these things would have happened.
now you tell us............... too late of course.
If you knew so much why didn't you do something before now?

[xsnaggle]

I wish that Putin would hurry up, it would save so many people the bother of saying. 'It'll be here in a minute' day after day.

I know, it's like waiting for the builders to turn up. isn't it?

[the other bob wilson]

I know I’m always on this Government’s case, but does anyone else think that the sanctions announced yesterday are a bit, you know, feeble given what we’d been hearing for the previous ten days or so?

[AfricanBluebird]

So all in all we should have just had you in charge for the last 20 years then none of these things would have happened.
now you tell us............... too late of course.
If you knew so much why didn't you do something before now?

I look forward to receiving your vote.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

I know I’m always on this Government’s case, but does anyone else think that the sanctions announced yesterday are a bit, you know, feeble given what we’d been hearing for the previous ten days or so?

I wouldn't go as far as to say they are feeble, however, they're not the severe sanctions touted beforehand by the government.

Perhaps the government feels it needs to keep an arrow in its quiver, should the Russian military march towards Kiev?

Full-on sanctions, at this point, would leave nothing to bargain with and would probably rule out any lingering hope of diplomacy. Also, if we hit Russia with full sanctions right now, Putin might feel he has nothing more to lose and would order his army to sweep across from the east

[AfricanBluebird]

I wouldn't go as far as to say they are feeble, however, they're not the severe sanctions touted beforehand by the government.

Perhaps the government feels it needs to keep an arrow in its quiver, should the Russian military march towards Kiev?

Full-on sanctions, at this point, would leave nothing to bargain with and would probably rule out any lingering hope of diplomacy. Also, if we hit Russia with full sanctions right now, Putin might feel he has nothing more to lose and would order his army to sweep across from the east

In all fairness the PM is about to announce tough new sanctions on Russian Oligarchs:

1) When appointed to the House of Lords they will no longer be allowed to access the free bar between 8 and 9am
2) Oligarchs will be only be allowed to pay for two foreign trips for Tory MP's per year, not the standard three.
3) Oligarchs will only be allowed to film Tory MP's having sex with prostitutes at Palazzo Terranova on a Tuesday and Friday.

[the other bob wilson]

I wouldn't go as far as to say they are feeble, however, they're not the severe sanctions touted beforehand by the government.

Perhaps the government feels it needs to keep an arrow in its quiver, should the Russian military march towards Kiev?

Full-on sanctions, at this point, would leave nothing to bargain with and would probably rule out any lingering hope of diplomacy. Also, if we hit Russia with full sanctions right now, Putin might feel he has nothing more to lose and would order his army to sweep across from the east

I don't pay as much attention to this sort of thing as some on here, but it seems to me that what Germany has done might just make Putin reconsider his actions, but what Johnson announced yesterday is hardly going to make him turn tail and order the tanks back is it.