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Thread: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

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    Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

    On her way back from Iran apparently with another detainee Anoosheh Ashoori.

    If it was just down to the repayment of a £300m+ debt then why didn't the UK pay it earlier?

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    Re: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

    Quote Originally Posted by The Bloop View Post
    On her way back from Iran apparently with another detainee Anoosheh Ashoori.

    If it was just down to the repayment of a £300m+ debt then why didn't the UK pay it earlier?
    Do they have oil that we need

    PS so pleased she’s been released.

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    great news for her and her family

    you do wonder what has been negotiated behind the scenes. Iran has a lot of oil stored up and ready to go apparently.

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    Did I hear on the radio this morning that the unpaid bill to Iran dates back to the seventies?

    Great that her ordeal is finally over, but it should never have taken this long to get her released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Did I hear on the radio this morning that the unpaid bill to Iran dates back to the seventies?

    Great that her ordeal is finally over, but it should never have taken this long to get her released.
    There's a very good BBC podcast 'Nazanin' which gives the background to all of this. And, yes, it goes back decades.

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    Yes the debt goes back a long carried through many goverments decesion not to be held to ransom .

    All anger should be pointed at the evil Irainin regime which has no respect for woman, life or alterancteve beliefs

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Yes the debt goes back a long carried through many goverments decesion not to be held to ransom .

    All anger should be pointed at the evil Irainin regime which has no respect for woman, life or alterancteve beliefs
    possibly some anger reserved for the idiot foreign secretary who didn't help matters too, whatever happened to him?

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    Re: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

    Quote Originally Posted by The Bloop View Post
    On her way back from Iran apparently with another detainee Anoosheh Ashoori.

    If it was just down to the repayment of a £300m+ debt then why didn't the UK pay it earlier?
    Liz Truss said earlier "We have been clear this is a legitimate debt that we do owe Iran and we have been seeking ways to pay it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swiss Peter View Post
    There's a very good BBC podcast 'Nazanin' which gives the background to all of this. And, yes, it goes back decades.
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    Liz Truss said earlier "We have been clear this is a legitimate debt that we do owe Iran and we have been seeking ways to pay it."
    I would imagine with the longstanding sanctions in place against Iran, it isn't a simple matter to just hand over 100's of millions of pounds to them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    possibly some anger reserved for the idiot foreign secretary who didn't help matters too, whatever happened to him?
    Well a well connected politcal commenator left leaning one , has suggessted this solution was done and ready within the Raab tennership for some reason the Irainians delayed ?

    Truss didnt come up with this as its not some form of brillant iease to just ca ve in and pay , it was discccsued and debated for years , im guessing something somewhere maybe added and we will never know .

    If thats the case , again poor Iraninans as the poor lady still had to suffer .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    Liz Truss said earlier "We have been clear this is a legitimate debt that we do owe Iran and we have been seeking ways to pay it."
    More between the lines maybe were going to buy more oil from them , oh that will get folks off on one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five View Post
    I would imagine with the longstanding sanctions in place against Iran, it isn't a simple matter to just hand over 100's of millions of pounds to them?
    Aye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Well a well connected politcal commenator left leaning one , has suggessted this solution was done and ready within the Raab tennership for some reason the Irainians delayed ?

    Truss didnt come up with this as its not some form of brillant iease to just ca ve in and pay , it was discccsued and debated for years , im guessing something somewhere maybe added and we will never know .

    If thats the case , again poor Iraninans as the poor lady still had to suffer .
    I wasn't talking about Raab or Truss

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    Re: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five View Post
    I would imagine with the longstanding sanctions in place against Iran, it isn't a simple matter to just hand over 100's of millions of pounds to them?
    The podcast mentioned above is a good summary of the 40 odd years of debt non-payment by the UK government.

    Various periods of sanctions have been used as a reason for non-payment, but the USA paid off a debt to Iran to get some of its citizens released years ago - and last year the UK pulled out of an agreement with Iran at the request of the USA who wanted to co-ordinate hostage releases - partly tied to the renewed nuclear deal negotiations (post Trump). That fell apart and, as I understand it, the UK government decided not to tailgate the USA but go ahead with unilateral negotiations. It seems that came down mainly to paying the debt. It could have happened years ago. Zaghari-Ratcliffe didn't have to be a pawn in a political game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    More between the lines maybe were going to buy more oil from them , oh that will get folks off on one
    Imagine being the same person that wrote this!

    I think Donny should send Giuliani out yo Iran and bring back the 1.3 billion pallets of dollars that (I want peace at any cost Obama) gave to that feckless lot,wonder how much of that money has been used to kill or plot against westerners ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I wasn't talking about Raab or Truss
    Hunt ?

    See im missed the s ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Imagine being the same person that wrote this!

    I think Donny should send Giuliani out yo Iran and bring back the 1.3 billion pallets of dollars that (I want peace at any cost Obama) gave to that feckless lot,wonder how much of that money has been used to kill or plot against westerners ?
    Yep spot on whoever stated that is a very astute , it's all bad business whichever way you paint it , its money/deals for death/ weapons , imprisonment of innocents , and persecution of minority groups, just to feed the western persons greed and need for cheap goods and lifestyles .

    All of us are guilty .

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Yep spot on whoever stated that is a very astute , it's all bad business whichever way you paint it , its money/deals for death/ weapons , imprisonment of innocents , and persecution of minority groups, just to feed the western persons greed and need for cheap goods and lifestyles .

    All of us are guilty .
    It does take a special kind of astuteness to blame the lady for going there in the first place, blame Obama for unfreezing Iranian money because it will be used to kill westerners, laud Donald Trump for cancelling the Iranian nuclear deal which effectively froze the ability to repay the Iranian debt, then suggest some folks will go off on one if this allows us to buy Iranian oil (which presumably will be used to kill westerners).

    Moral bankruptcy and the inability to hold a coherent thought seems to be some of the core competencies of the "Astute".

    What I do at least agree is that the Iranian Regime is overwhelmingly to blame for her plight, though Johnson's loose tongue undoubtedly made things worse for her by giving that regime cover for their actions.

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    Big question why now there's a 3rd person still there??

    Nuclear deal done ??

    USA not happy as they may have wanted their hostages out as well .

    After Russia do we know see Iran / Saudi as a lesser evil ?

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    Re: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    The podcast mentioned above is a good summary of the 40 odd years of debt non-payment by the UK government.

    Various periods of sanctions have been used as a reason for non-payment, but the USA paid off a debt to Iran to get some of its citizens released years ago - and last year the UK pulled out of an agreement with Iran at the request of the USA who wanted to co-ordinate hostage releases - partly tied to the renewed nuclear deal negotiations (post Trump). That fell apart and, as I understand it, the UK government decided not to tailgate the USA but go ahead with unilateral negotiations. It seems that came down mainly to paying the debt. It could have happened years ago. Zaghari-Ratcliffe didn't have to be a pawn in a political game.
    According to Jeremy Hunt on the Andrew Marr show on LBC, we had to get the Americans to agree,because if a British Bank had transferred money to Iran without American consent that bank would have been barred from doing business witn America.

    However later during the interview it apppears tha LBC had been told the money hadn't been paid in cash. Jeremy Hunt mentioned medical supplies which as it has been agreed that the moeny is only to be used for humanitarian purposes maks sense.

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60775180

    Wonderful family reunion video

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    Nazanin was no the only one that was effected knowing Boris

    https://www.channel4.com/news/studen...cally-tortured

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    https://twitter.com/marcowenjones/st...al2iBegIQ&s=19


    interesting analysis of people criticising Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe for being "ungrateful" for suggesting that maybe it took too long to bring her home, and people posting Messages in support of Brexit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    https://twitter.com/marcowenjones/st...al2iBegIQ&s=19


    interesting analysis of people criticising Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe for being "ungrateful" for suggesting that maybe it took too long to bring her home, and people posting Messages in support of Brexit
    + they tweet about "anti woke" "anti PC" etc

    Locked up for 6 years and comes back and says she should have been helped 6 years ago and they're trending sendherback because she's "ungrateful"

    Imagine being one of these arseholes, it must be absolutely miserable, constantly outraged

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