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    Re: Bagan - surely has to start against Swansea?

    I seem to be in a minority, possibly of one, who does not think Bagan was playing badly early in the season. He always seemed quite isolated defensively to me and did have some poor moments at times, but he was playing in a team that was on a club record breaking run of defeats and, like all of the younger players at that time, was getting little or no help from the more experienced members of the team who were having enough problems of their own.

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    Re: Bagan - surely has to start against Swansea?

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I seem to be in a minority, possibly of one, who does not think Bagan was playing badly early in the season. He always seemed quite isolated defensively to me and did have some poor moments at times, but he was playing in a team that was on a club record breaking run of defeats and, like all of the younger players at that time, was getting little or no help from the more experienced members of the team who were having enough problems of their own.
    No I thought he was doing fine, some people on here were very quick to dismiss some of our younger players as "league one at best".
    I don't recall too many times he was at fault for goals, if anything it was his attacking contribution that needed to improve.

    When he dropped out of the side, he went back to the u23s and started scoring goals immediately, so fair play to him he's done exactly what the coaches have wanted from him.

    He's probably fortunate that Giles went back to Wolves, as he wouldn't have had much game time if he was here, but he's definitely taken that opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    No I thought he was doing fine, some people on here were very quick to dismiss some of our younger players as "league one at best".
    I don't recall too many times he was at fault for goals, if anything it was his attacking contribution that needed to improve.

    When he dropped out of the side, he went back to the u23s and started scoring goals immediately, so fair play to him he's done exactly what the coaches have wanted from him.

    He's probably fortunate that Giles went back to Wolves, as he wouldn't have had much game time if he was here, but he's definitely taken that opportunity.
    Defensively he was awful. Allowed so many crosses into the box and faster players turned him inside out

    He's improved but I did think he was never going to make it.

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    Re: Bagan - surely has to start against Swansea?

    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    Defensively he was awful. Allowed so many crosses into the box and faster players turned him inside out

    He's improved but I did think he was never going to make it.
    His block against Derby prevented a certain goal

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    Re: Bagan - surely has to start against Swansea?

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I seem to be in a minority, possibly of one, who does not think Bagan was playing badly early in the season.
    I didn't think so either and I couldn't understand why Morison initially ditched him. I thought Bagan showed up well in the early games, especially considering the mess that was happening around him. I was impressed by the fact that he never attempted to hide and managed to get forward reasonably frequently despite the dire football the team was playing.

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    Re: Bagan - surely has to start against Swansea?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    I didn't think so either and I couldn't understand why Morison initially ditched him. I thought Bagan showed up well in the early games, especially considering the mess that was happening around him. I was impressed by the fact that he never attempted to hide and managed to get forward reasonably frequently despite the dire football the team was playing.
    Morison dropped him because he wanted to play Giles there, and Giles was our best player up to that point.

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    Re: Bagan - surely has to start against Swansea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Morison dropped him because he wanted to play Giles there, and Giles was our best player up to that point.
    Bear in mind that Bagan didn't get his first league start under Morrison until 9th February against Peterborough. It took injuries to Nelson and Doughty for Bagan to get his chance. He didn't kick a ball in the Championship from 20/10/21 to 09/02/22.

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    Re: Bagan - surely has to start against Swansea?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Bear in mind that Bagan didn't get his first league start under Morrison until 9th February against Peterborough. It took injuries to Nelson and Doughty for Bagan to get his chance. He didn't kick a ball in the Championship from 20/10/21 to 09/02/22.
    He had a shoulder injury that kept him out from the Fulham game under mick until the start of 2022, then he was on the bench and playing for the U23s , before breaking back into the team.

    Morison never picked Nelson at wing back ahead of Bagan - He started with Giles, then Moved Ng across, Doughty when he arrived and then Bagan

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    Re: Bagan - surely has to start against Swansea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    He had a shoulder injury that kept him out from the Fulham game under mick until the start of 2022....
    Really? I know he had a minor shoulder injury at some point, but he was on the bench for Morison's first game at Stoke (30/10/21), and was then dropped to the Under-23's for their 3-1 win at Swansea on 01/11/21. He was then in the Republic of Ireland Under-21's team when they lost 2-0 to Italy (12/11/21) and beat Sweden 1-0 (16/11/21). He was playing for the City's Under-23's team again on 30/11/21 when they beat Colchester 2-0, on 06/12/21 when they beat Watford 4-0 (he scored one of the goals) and on 10/12/21 when they lost 1-0 at Millwall. He was finally back on the bench for City at West Brom (02/01/22).

    The evidence would suggest he wasn't unfit for any length of time at any stage.

    As for Morison never picking Nelson at wing-back ahead of Bagan, I know that. However, it took an injury to Nelson for the manager to finally move NG into the centre of defence, and another injury to Doughty to enable Bagan to get his chance.

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    Re: Bagan - surely has to start against Swansea?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    I didn't think so either and I couldn't understand why Morison initially ditched him. I thought Bagan showed up well in the early games, especially considering the mess that was happening around him. I was impressed by the fact that he never attempted to hide and managed to get forward reasonably frequently despite the dire football the team was playing.
    Hi TLG - are you back to live games now - please don't take offence?

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    Re: Bagan - surely has to start against Swansea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Pontprennau Blues View Post
    Hi TLG - are you back to live games now - please don't take offence?
    I've been going to games since 2016/17, a few each year (apart from the lockdown seasons, obviously). Mostly home games, but I've done a handful of aways too.

    I've been at five home games so far this season - Sheffield Utd, Nottingham Forest, Coventry, Fulham and Preston. I missed the entirety of Mick McCarthy's reign - lucky me!


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