Reply With QuoteI don't think those important principles require hour long breaks in-between..Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Thanks, you too. I was up at 6am in my bunny outfit.
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Thought the point was to look at things rationally with that famed open mind of yours. My mistake. Enjoy the egg hunt!It's only a few paragraphs old bean - and I didnt want to leave it more than ten minutes as I'm sure you want to read what I have to say before getting on and enjoying your easter sunday. And you claim i lack compassion!
I don't think those important principles require hour long breaks in-between..
Thanks, you too. I was up at 6am in my bunny outfit.
But you say you don't care if it's left or right if it works. We've had an extreme right wing government for 12 years and literally everything is getting worse and every single post you make is defending it.Thanks for illustrating my point so promptly.
You site poor examples such as minimum wage going up while completely failing to understand that inflation has increased by far more so this shows that what you've said about following the best ideas as being compelte rubbish.
Think the UK have tried to talk with the French sadly they don't like us and have thier own racist views
You probably missed that I cut and pasted your mates, James Wales views.
Having said that, I'm sure you have links in your social media to French racist views that hate the idea that natural born French are minorities in their cities as much as you do.
Extreme right wing government for 12 years? That's a ridiculous statement and you know it. Pretty offensive to those in history that have genuinely suffered under extreme right-wing governments.
You aren't right on the one example given either- Minimum wage has increased at well above the rate of inflation in the last few years (and rightly so)O
It's interesting though. I was just pondering the successful extremes we have had in government in my lifetime. Probably from the left it was Harold Wilson's governments in the 70s. On the right Thatcher's 2nd administration after she purged the "wets" with Norman "on your bike" Tebbit took some beating.
I can't think of anything else that matches the cynical crowd we have today though, how about you?
They are being sent to Rwanda for an all expenses paid holiday in the sun while sumptuous accommodation is arranged for their return along with a full suite of welfare benefits.
Come on lads, FFS! Don't wonder why the government can't stop illegal immigration, ask why they are facilitating it.
The cute reasoning is May signed up to the UN's Global Compact for Migration. But that doesn't fly because it is non-binding.
The Fifth Columnists inside the UK, those MPs who wear different colour rosettes but play for the same side, have been implementing the Kalergi Plan for decades.
English Channel during 2020 - Nigel Farage witnesses illegal migrants entering British waters - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEW-nd2OsAo
Same location in 2021, nowt's changed - Nigel Farage spots migrant boat crossing English Channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70yLMRUvX3I
Ask yourself why Nigel Farage has the energy to expose this caper when news crews from ITV, BBC, Channel 4 and 5 along with the aforementioned Fifth Columnists refuse to. It's the same reason why all those very carefully and deliberately omitted telling their constituents and viewers that the manufacturers of the clot shots enjoyed absolute financial indemnity for their 'safe' products... and that's because they didn't and still don't want people to know.
Well depends how you define success. This pivots our immigration system to one whereby your method of entry is the key part of your claim, if you arrive illegally then your claim will not be assessed, despite the fact that the majority who arrive illegally and present themselves to the authorities are currently approved for asylum. This would be okay if the official channels weren't deliberately slow (and a cynic might say about to get a whole lot slower). We want to use the asylum process as a tool for virtue signalling British generosity rather than as a way to genuinely help those in need.
The other side of this is a barbarism of the proposed process. Under the agreement we shall present a list of names/details of illegal immigrants to the UK (the document doesn't mention a cut off so this could include people who entered the UK at any point) to Rwanda and they will pick who they will take. The person will then be given a short period of time to successfully appeal before being shipped off to Rwanda. At no point do they get asked if they want to go or whether they want to return to their country of origin. At no point does the person's claim to asylum get assessed.
It isn't clear if this will reduce channel crossings but I think you could be pretty sure it will reduce the likelihood of anybody who is here illegally willingly interacting with an institution of the state (i.e. reporting a crime, attending a hospital for urgent medical care).
I think you need to be very clear about what you are supporting here:
- It ensures that the UK will help less genuine asylum seekers than before.
- It allows for people who arrive (or have previously arrived) illegally to be forcibly deported without their claim to asylum being assessed.
- There is no evidence it will reduce human trafficking.
- It incentivises illegal entrants to not interact with society, increasing the likelihood of them being taken advantage of.
So you're just going to ignore austerity deaths, covid deaths (right wing countries had worse death rate than lefts ones) nevermind the dramatic increase in poverty over the past 12 years then?
Sorry? What? Start again. You have just mentioned a few random (but important) cherry picked stats there and not delved into them at all, whilst of course not mentioned a great many random (but important) stats on other topics.
I'm not arguing whether left or right-wing governments handled Covid better, because I don't view things through that binary narrow spectrum. Equally, I'm not arguing whether Catholic or Protestent countries handled it better, or capitalist or communist countries. I strongly suspect that no clear pattern emerged and in terms of Covid restrictions, they don't fit easily into a left/right scale anyway as all, in normal times, were extremely authoritarian.
My point is that you said Britain has had an extreme right-wing government for 12 years, which is clearly absolutely nonsense and clear hyperbole even for this board.
It's fine, we all exaggerate, but no need to double down on it
It isn't though is it. The current government are extreme right wing e.g. priviatise everything, send assylum seekers to Rwanda, you're absolutely deluded if you think otherwise. I then provided facts to show people have suffered under this extreme right wing government.
Honestly if you were Russian you'd defend Putin.
I've tried reading through some of the replies , apologies if I missed the straight answer to the OP as there are so many moving goalposts, is the question too tough ??
Again would Labour Risk Reversing The Rwanda Solution????
Simple yes or no will do instead of the usual personal attacks .
Were the replies too difficult to understand?
Yes although there isn't really anything to reverse yet.
Todays quiz: Who said this, this morning?
“Our dialogue with the Rwandan government includes a mechanism for the transfer of asylum seekers… [the deal will] ensure a more dignified approach than the criminal network of human traffickers that characterises migration across the Mediterranean today.”
Not sure anybody cares
Presumably we are paying Rwanda handsomly for taking these "undesirable" people off our hands.
This whole thing stinks, it is utterly shameful.
We are paying money to an authoritarian regime here, to absolve ourselves of the moral responsibility of looking after the vulnerable and needy.
Well I for one am "slightly taken aback" by the amount of energy JamesWales is expending defending the Rwandan policy. He would be far better served focusing his energy on criticising Russia and Vladimir Putin in my opinion.
I will take a guess at that bastion of right wing politics...........
Denmark!!
Calling our admittedly right wing leaning government (at least on certain matters) an extreme right wing government is a bit ,well, extreme!
Ooh, this is a good game.
Which bastion of wishy-washy liberalism and architect of Go Home Vans and Billboards said this......
"From what I have heard and seen so far of this policy, I do not support the removal to Rwanda policy on the grounds of legality, practicality and efficacy.
"If it is the case that families will not be broken up, does she not believe and where is her evidence that this will not simply lead to an increase in the trafficking of women and children?"
It's not a game but it was Theresa May
Sorry when James Wales said it was today's quiz I obviously misunderstood the seriousness of his question.
I for one have completely changed my mind and agree with the policy now that I have found out that someone from denmark think it is a goodun and Theresa May thinks it's bad. Oh wait actually I couldn't care less what other people think of it.
A glimpse into how some people formulate their opinions though maybe..?
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