Do you think Carrie Johnson and the interior designer that they had picking out wallpaper both work at No. 10?Originally Posted by blue matt
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Do you think Carrie Johnson and the interior designer that they had picking out wallpaper both work at No. 10?
One lives there the other was doing interior designing, and knowing Boris he was doing them both
Starmer on the other hand was in an office miles away with no one that he works with every day, and a load of labour hangers on that were just there for the by-election consequently a far greater covid risk.
Both were pathetic and not worth all this fuss, both should have said sorry and moved on.
One lives in No. 11 and the other one was interior designing in No. 11.One lives there the other was doing interior designing, and knowing Boris he was doing them both
Starmer on the other hand was in an office miles away with no one that he works with every day, and a load of labour hangers on that were just there for the by-election consequently a far greater covid risk.
Both were pathetic and not worth all this fuss, both should have said sorry and moved on.
Starmer was in a Labour regional office doing work as leader of the Labour party and stopped for some food before continuing to work.
A lot of people struggling with the facts, it seems.
Bizarre post.He might doit for the same reason that McCluskie failed to tell the complete truth about his education - - because it didn't fit with his protestations to the working class that he is "one of us".
Naw it couldn't be that could it, not from Mr whiter than white (except for the curry stain on his shirt) Starmer.
And how did you know I have a predilection for drowning puppies? Can't keep anything secret any more.
= no answer. And goodnight from him!!
This is your initial post.
I think if you check you'll find that the factory he worked in was in fact owned by Mr Starmer.
I read the two links you gave. Both basically mirrored an unauthorised biography of Starmer written for Lord Ashcroft, the UK/Belizean national who was Treasurer of the Tory Party. We can both read it and the most damning thing I can see is that Starmer's Dad went from a shop floor toolmaker to a sole trader. In doing so he seems to have retained and instilled into his son Socialist values despite giving him better opportunities in the process.
Now you can obviously post the proof that Starmer's Dad owned the factory he initially worked in. Conversely you can do the = no answer. And goodnight from him!! put down. The floor's yours!
You mean like wen Mr S told friends that Kier "spent the day working in my factory"?
Generally where there is smoke you'll find a fire somewwhere .
But hey, you wouldn't believe it anyway. So.... goodnight from me
So as I understand your argument.
Keir Starmer's dad was a toolmaker. Yes/No
His Dad used to work in a factory. Yes/No
He used to help his Dad. Yes/No
His Dad went self-employed. Yes/No
His Dad owned the factory. Yes
I did the last one for you, for ease. All you have to do is provide any evidence beyond Lord Ashcroft's hit piece that his Dad was some kind of factory owner. But you can't. So just look silly.
Starmer is not Jesus or Nelson Mandela. He seems a decent human being but an average politician. Why you want to look silly about him heaven only knows!
If there was any truth in what you are saying then Johnsons sycophantic mates in the media would be all over it like a rash!!
Really odd behaviour to be so defensive of a man (Johnson) who wouldn't piss on the likes of you and me if we were on fire.
Quite a few on here have gone right down the Johnson rabbit hole. I hate to break it to you guys but "Boris" ain't your mate, in fact he despises us plebeians - just go and read some of his musings in the likes of the Telegraph or Spectator over the years.
As Max Hastings so correctly said about Johnson - the only people who rate him are those who don't know him.
Stop doffing your cap and tugging your forelock, he's laughing at you.
That's a very common form of speech.
Kids talk about 'my school', it doesn't mean they think they own it!
Johnson being investigated Tory boys rattled and on the defensive.
Labour Leader investigated the Tory boys even more rattled.😂
😂😂😂
What do you mean? Instead of addressing my post, you simply went off about how someone else once lied about their background and then made a barbed comment about Starmer.
You want to believe that he's lying (despite there being literally no evidence whatsoever) and accused me of not believing it because of my political leanings.
Bizarre and hypocritcial.
To be fair, he never stopped posting stuff about Johnson having to go when all of the stories were breaking about the parties/works meetings he was supposed to have gone to, or am I getting him confused with someone else?
I'm not a Johnson lover, I think he's a clown. What I dislike is the people who are so biased to the left that nothing they do can possibly be wrong.
All these people are as bad as each other.
The Labour party in Parliament kept banging on about patygate beause it is entirely bereft of any policies with which to attack this useless government
I'd go back to 2010 and suggest the Tories were bereft of any policies to attack Labour with. There was much they agreed with, when both parties held similar ground in the middle. It didn't do them any harm. They watched Labour implode. I suspect Labour are doing the same and watching the Tories implode. Do nothing wrong or idiotic.
It's utter shit and does nothing for the electorate, but waiting for the other to fall is quite a common tactic nowadays.
I agree completely.
Starmer's speech today was a shopping list of things the government should be doing. I don't think an opposition at this point in an election cycle has ever presented more policy ideas. They are doing it precisely because they have been backed into a corner by people saying 'you just criticise, you have no policies' but it is astounding that this is still the narrative now when it has been completely invalidated.
Excellent.
where's Corbyn on this scale?
What this thread demonstrates is the general public on all parts of the spectrum fail to understand how top civil servants and politicians work day to day. Having working meetings where food and drink is available wouldn't be unusual. Similarly when a party leader meets local party members I'd suggest having food and drink is normal cause of business. This would explain why both Starmer and Johnson believed they weren't guilty of any wrongdoing.
Of course, the court of public opinion argues differently, and it really does depend where you fall on the spectrum on how you determine guilt or otherwise.
Looking objectively either both are guilty are neither are. What is rather telling is this is the main domestic political issue being discussed today and not the government's latest community development Bill, or the oppositions response.
Politics is a murky world where style is clearly more relevant than substance, both to politicians, and their acolytes.
I agree with this.
I think the bad stories are the genuine boozy parties in Downing St, although I dont doubt these happened elsewhere, to happen at the heart of government is inexcusable.
I have less concerns over a birthday cake at lunch and Starmers beer, but the two are fundementally the same for me in moral terms.
https://twitter.com/RosieisaHolt/sta...98053645185033
Gove certainly hasn't been put off partying.
I see you Gove, and raise you Osborne
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitio...eorge-osbourne
I think it best to await the outcome of the Police investigation to see if there is equivalence between Starmer's and Johnson's actions.
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