Trust..CCFC big row brewing

[Lawnmower]

I attended the first Trust Meeting and became a member and then allowed my membership to lapse. My view then and since was that the membership was too small to make a significant impact. But good people kept trying and did achieve a dialogue and well done to them.
I hadn’t realised that the Trust is no longer operating as it was although I am not sure that disqualifies it as an entity.
Is it a “collective”. I think that depends on how many members there are now and how well it’s managed.
Does CCFC have a supporters organisation that is large enough and structured to represent supporters in the way that the Trust, rather than Supporters Club would like. No. I genuinely look forward to being corrected.

The first bit of this doesn’t make sense to me.
Surely allowing your membership to lapse only made the Trust numbers smaller ?
The Trust was set up to give supporters a voice.

As a fan base the response the club has given can only be expected if people can’t be arsed to be part of the body set up to represent them.

We get what we deserve 😕

[BLUEAWAY]

The first bit of this doesn’t make sense to me.
Surely allowing your membership to lapse only made the Trust numbers smaller ?
The Trust was set up to give supporters a voice.

As a fan base the response the club has given can only be expected if people can’t be arsed to be part of the body set up to represent them.

We get what we deserve 😕

I'm not sure why it doesn't make sense to you. I said I let my membership lapse. I did not imply any criticism nor feel the need to explain why I let it lapse. That was my decision as it was mine to join. Of course it made the Trust even smaller than it was. In truth it was never very big and after the initial membership surge I think it would be fair to say it struggled to attract new members and batted above its representation.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

As devil’s advocate, we all know the self important fans that have tried to work their way into the club for their own interests.

With issues with Sam in the past maybe that’s how it looks now

The fans most against the trust were Sam's crew

[Lawnmower]

As devil’s advocate, we all know the self important fans that have tried to work their way into the club for their own interests.

With issues with Sam in the past maybe that’s how it looks now

These people in the Trust are voted in.
Just like any other election, anyone who wants to be part of it can.

Sam’s crew were either self appointed or invited ( and that included myself for the meeting or 2 I attended).
In his care it seemed it wasn’t to listen to the fans, but more to tell them what to think anyway 😉

This is very different.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Erm, I hope you realise I was being ironic and agreeing with you

I know , old bill is on a mare

[Lawnmower]

If they are not officially recognised by the club, how is he ?

How many members have they got out of a fan data base of around 200k ?

They’ve only just said this because they’ve had a bit of criticism from the Trust representatives so are now taking their ball home
Like going back to the Clemo years

[The Lone Gunman]

I was told that’s how many fans are on its database , as in purchased tickets , memberships, playoff finals etc

How is that not unrealistic?

There could indeed be 200,000 names on the club’s database. The list would include several friends and relatives of mine who are now dead and others who haven’t been to a game for many years.

If you genuinely believe CCFC has a fanbase that numbers anything like 200,000, you’re batshit crazy.

[TWGL1]

Your first paragraph is exactly what I meant …. 200k on a data base which includes email

[The Lone Gunman]

Your first paragraph is exactly what I meant …. 200k on a data base.

But so what? Why quote that figure when we all know it means nothing in reality?

[TWGL1]

I would say in todays tech world it’s means a fair bit.
The database insights will give you a clearer plan for upselling and improving your business performance. A customer database also provides an opportunity to build rapport with your customers. You can inform them on product updates, new services, and communicate your strategies to keep them informed.

How many trust members are there anyway ?

[The Lone Gunman]

I would say in todays tech world it’s means a fair bit. The database insights will give you a clearer plan for upselling and improving your business performance. A customer database also provides an opportunity to build rapport with your customers. You can inform them on product updates, new services, and communicate your strategies to keep them informed.

Did you cut and paste that shite?

[TWGL1]

Did you cut and paste that shite?

Do you want a link ?

https://www.nibusinessinfo.co.uk/con...-good-database

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Did you cut and paste that shite?

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22T...performance%22

[Lawnmower]

The Trust were behind the alternative blue shirt during the rebrand that raised funds for Ty Hafan.

Recently collections for the food banks, Ukraine,

Campaign for safe standing

They produce a magazine.

The Trust chairman produces the best financial analysis of our clubs accounts every year.

Helped with the March against racism

Raised money for the disabled supporters transport

Helped improve the memorial garden

They did have the occasional meeting with the club until theses were stopped.

Let’s face it apart from Dalman’s half hearted interviews full of contradiction and inaccuracies we are totally in the dark as to what’s going on. TBH I don’t think he’s that informed either .

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I really care about this club and want to know what the owners ( who themselves tell us are merely ‘custodians’ for the fans) plans are- as we haven’t got a clue .

[Lawnmower]

But so what? Why quote that figure when we all know it means nothing in reality?

I think I’m on there 3 times and so are probably quite a few dead people, Liverpool & Man U fans, egg chasers, wives, kids and neighbours who’ve absolutely no interest in the club whatsoever

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Recently collections for the food banks, Ukraine,

Campaign for safe standing

They produce a magazine.

The Trust chairman produces the best financial analysis of our clubs accounts every year.

Helped with the March against racism

Raised money for the disabled supporters transport

Helped improve the memorial garden

They did have the occasional meeting with the club until theses were stopped.

Let’s face it apart from Dalman’s half hearted interviews full of contradiction and inaccuracies we are totally in the dark as to what’s going on. TBH I don’t think he’s that informed either .

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I really care about this club and want to know what the owners ( who themselves tell us are merely ‘custodians’ for the fans) plans are- as we haven’t got a clue .

Yeah but apart from all that what have they done ?

[The Lone Gunman]

Do you want a link ?

No, I’d rather have a bit of whatever you’re smoking.

[jon1959]

Recently collections for the food banks, Ukraine,

Campaign for safe standing

They produce a magazine.

The Trust chairman produces the best financial analysis of our clubs accounts every year.

Helped with the March against racism

Raised money for the disabled supporters transport

Helped improve the memorial garden

They did have the occasional meeting with the club until theses were stopped.

Let’s face it apart from Dalman’s half hearted interviews full of contradiction and inaccuracies we are totally in the dark as to what’s going on. TBH I don’t think he’s that informed either .

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I really care about this club and want to know what the owners ( who themselves tell us are merely ‘custodians’ for the fans) plans are- as we haven’t got a clue .

Top post.

The Trust’s open letter was clumsily written but the intent and the message was spot on.

I have been a Trust member from the start and really appreciate the unpaid and seemingly unvalued work that is put in by a small number of elected representatives. I should do more myself - but that feels difficult living over 200 miles from the stadium.

The club’s response is poor on every level. No attempt to respond to the contents and a brush off based on personal abuse and dismissing the Trust’s status - despite engaging with the Trust up to last year. There will be some happy clappy customers but otherwise it reads like another own goal.

That said I would like to know more about the club claims about the Trust status with the organisations it quoted and the reason for the breakdown in relationships last year.

The Trust is not in a strong position but it needs to come out with a response to the club statement - positive and respectful, but maintaining the challenge to Vincent Tan to improve governance and communication.

[WJ99mobile]

Recently collections for the food banks, Ukraine,

Campaign for safe standing

They produce a magazine.

The Trust chairman produces the best financial analysis of our clubs accounts every year.

Helped with the March against racism

Raised money for the disabled supporters transport

Helped improve the memorial garden

They did have the occasional meeting with the club until theses were stopped.

Let’s face it apart from Dalman’s half hearted interviews full of contradiction and inaccuracies we are totally in the dark as to what’s going on. TBH I don’t think he’s that informed either .

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I really care about this club and want to know what the owners ( who themselves tell us are merely ‘custodians’ for the fans) plans are- as we haven’t got a clue .

Is Since62 part of the Trust?

That really sums up the trust well as it stands

[William Treseder]

Fair play, I haven’t heard the football club / cinema analogy in almost a decade. Who was it making that comparison back in 2012? Ah, yes, I remember….

It’s true though. Don’t tell me an intelligent guy like you ever though you were anything else other than a customer?

[The Lone Gunman]

It’s true though.

It’s not true at all. It’s absolute nonsense. Football supporters are not even close to being on a par with cinema goers.

Nobody ‘supports’ a cinema. Nobody travels all over the country (or Europe) supporting their local cinema while it competes with rival cinemas. Nobody buys cinema merchandise. Nobody joins a cinema supporters club. Nobody wears a replica cinema shirt. There are no cinema league tables, no cinema championships, no cinema play-offs, no cinema cup competitions. Nobody cares who manages a cinema or who works in a cinema. Nobody debates the merits or otherwise of cinemas on tv shows, radio shows, websites, podcasts, in newspapers, in magazines, in fanzines, etc, etc, etc.

Don’t tell me an intelligent guy like you ever really thought that football supporters are just like cinema goers?

You’re right to suggest that Cardiff City supporters are considered to be no more than customers by the current regime, but that’s certainly not been the case throughout the club’s history and it’s not the case at most professional football clubs either.

[J R Hartley]

It’s not true at all. It’s absolute nonsense. Football supporters are not even close to being on a par with cinema goers.

Nobody ‘supports’ a cinema. Nobody travels all over the country (or Europe) supporting their local cinema while it competes with rival cinemas. Nobody buys cinema merchandise. Nobody joins a cinema supporters club. Nobody wears a replica cinema shirt. There are no cinema league tables, no cinema championships, no cinema play-offs, no cinema cup competitions. Nobody cares who manages a cinema or who works in a cinema. Nobody debates the merits or otherwise of cinemas on tv shows, radio shows, websites, podcasts, in newspapers, in magazines, in fanzines, etc, etc, etc.

Don’t tell me an intelligent guy like you ever really thought that football supporters are just like cinema goers?

You’re right to suggest that Cardiff City supporters are considered to be no more than customers by the current regime, but that’s certainly not been the case throughout the club’s history and it’s not the case at most professional football clubs either.

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[splott parker]

It’s not true at all. It’s absolute nonsense. Football supporters are not even close to being on a par with cinema goers.

Nobody ‘supports’ a cinema. Nobody travels all over the country (or Europe) supporting their local cinema while it competes with rival cinemas. Nobody buys cinema merchandise. Nobody joins a cinema supporters club. Nobody wears a replica cinema shirt. There are no cinema league tables, no cinema championships, no cinema play-offs, no cinema cup competitions. Nobody cares who manages a cinema or who works in a cinema. Nobody debates the merits or otherwise of cinemas on tv shows, radio shows, websites, podcasts, in newspapers, in magazines, in fanzines, etc, etc, etc.

Don’t tell me an intelligent guy like you ever really thought that football supporters are just like cinema goers?

You’re right to suggest that Cardiff City supporters are considered to be no more than customers by the current regime, but that’s certainly not been the case throughout the club’s history and it’s not the case at most professional football clubs either.

Supporting a football (other sports too) club is definitely a unique situation.

[TWGL1]

Supporting a football (other sports too) club is definitely a unique situation.

Cricket supporters , aren’t anything like football supporters though and it’s a sport I prefer over football. I wouldn’t have a clue how much a Glamorgan player earns or how much Ben Stokes gets ( I could look it up) so I guess I would be just a customer to the ECB or GCCC.

[splott parker]

Cricket supporters , aren’t anything like football supporters though and it’s a sport I prefer over football. I wouldn’t have a clue how much a Glamorgan player earns or how much Ben Stokes gets ( I could look it up) so I guess I would be just a customer to the ECB or GCCC.

You haven’t seen the banners or heard the chanting at England cricket matches then? The emails I get from Glammy are very customer orientated also.