Trust..CCFC big row brewing

[insider]

I fund the whole row strange.
What is really behind it?

I think it goes back to a meeting a few months ago when a disagreement happened and since then communications dried up.

[Dorcus]

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[insider]

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People don't support the cinema like people don't support the football stadium they watch the films and the team on the pitch.

[Vindec]

What leads you to believe that it isn’t?

I presume you have read the letter from CCFC which seemed believable to me at least. In case you haven't read the letter the following extract may help:

"The organisation known as Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust was de-registered as a mutual organisation/Trust from the Financial Conduct Authority in 2016 and does not meet the Football Supporters Associations (FSA’s) basic minimum requirements."

Of course there is always the possibility the club is incorrect.

[The Lone Gunman]

I presume you have read the letter from CCFC…..

I read the statement from CCFC. It was bollocks.

[Vindec]

I read the statement from CCFC. It was bollocks.

So, in your view the Trust is a Trust. Fair enough but I'm not entirely sure that the "Trusts" response precisely contradicts the club's view as it states they are recognised as a group by the Football Supporters Association since it ceased to be a formal Mutual Society (whatever that means) and they are in the final stages of registration as a formal Community Society. No where does the "Trust" seem to actually deny that they are not a Trust but there is ambiguity because of the language used. In essence the club's original response (statement) is not "bollocks" in my view but is only "bollocks" in respect of the disrespect it shows to a group of fans.

[lisvaneblue]

So, in your view the Trust is a Trust. Fair enough but I'm not entirely sure that the "Trusts" response precisely contradicts the club's view as it states they are recognised as a group by the Football Supporters Association since it ceased to be a formal Mutual Society (whatever that means) and they are in the final stages of registration as a formal Community Society. No where does the "Trust" seem to actually deny that they are not a Trust but there is ambiguity because of the language used. In essence the club's original response (statement) is not "bollocks" in my view but is only "bollocks" in respect of the disrespect it shows to a group of fans.

For clarification the Cardiff City Supporters Trust was the trading name for the Cardiff City Supporters Society Ltd. When this limited company was deregistered in 2016 the trading name continued but as a group with a common interest rather than a Company.There are disadvantages to being deregistered thus the Trust is in the final stages of registering again. I’m confused about the indication that we were a mutual society.....of course we were because we were part of the FCA mutual register. However we were always listed as a community society which is what we were and what we aim to be again.
The reason for the deregistration was simply because accounts etc, although properly done were not sent to the FCA and reminders from FCA we’re not received because we had not updated our registered office address with them. Sloppy admin really and that was all

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

This club is full of shit

No wonder many walked away after the red episode

This sort of bullying bullshit from the clowns running our football club make me wonder how many other of our most hard-core fans will thrown in the towel

It's an amateurish way for a professional organisation to behave

And the supporters club ? ........stooges

[The Lone Gunman]

So, in your view the Trust is a Trust. Fair enough but I'm not entirely sure that the "Trusts" response precisely contradicts the club's view as it states they are recognised as a group by the Football Supporters Association since it ceased to be a formal Mutual Society (whatever that means) and they are in the final stages of registration as a formal Community Society. No where does the "Trust" seem to actually deny that they are not a Trust but there is ambiguity because of the language used. In essence the club's original response (statement) is not "bollocks" in my view but is only "bollocks" in respect of the disrespect it shows to a group of fans.

Fair enough. In my view it’s just bollocks.

The club is now apparently refusing to recognise the Trust as an ‘official entity’ because of a deregistration that allegedly occurred in 2016. However, the club has had numerous dealings with the Trust since 2016. Also, I presume CCSC hold no such registration with the Financial Conduct Authority, and yet the club is content to recognise them as an official entity.

I wonder why that is?

[Rjk]

I have a generally favourable view of the trust, and I've got no doubt that a lot of the criticism of the club is entirely warranted.
However, writing an open letter to someone's boss complaining about a lack of response is probably not the best way of cultivating an ongoing relationship.
if someone did that to my boss I would understandably be pissed off.
I guess that it probably came out of frustration at a lack of engagement, but there are probably better ways of going about things.

I'm not really a fan of open letters in general tbh, they always come across as a bit self-important.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

I have a generally favourable view of the trust, and I've got no doubt that a lot of the criticism of the club is entirely warranted.
However, writing an open letter to someone's boss complaining about a lack of response is probably not the best way of cultivating an ongoing relationship.
if someone did that to my boss I would understandably be pissed off.
I guess that it probably came out of frustration at a lack of engagement, but there are probably better ways of going about things.

I'm not really a fan of open letters in general tbh, they always come across as a bit self-important.

People have complained about a lack of engagement and openness from the club for years. It isn't going to change while Tan is in charge unless something is done. They don't care and are embarrassed by this being made public. Perhaps it might actually help, especially given the justified backlash to their statement.

[BLUEAWAY]

People have complained about a lack of engagement and openness from the club for years. It isn't going to change while Tan is in charge unless something is done. They don't care and are embarrassed by this being made public. Perhaps it might actually help, especially given the justified backlash to their statement.

I doubt that they are embarrassed.

[William Treseder]

It’s not true at all. It’s absolute nonsense. Football supporters are not even close to being on a par with cinema goers.

Nobody ‘supports’ a cinema. Nobody travels all over the country (or Europe) supporting their local cinema while it competes with rival cinemas. Nobody buys cinema merchandise. Nobody joins a cinema supporters club. Nobody wears a replica cinema shirt. There are no cinema league tables, no cinema championships, no cinema play-offs, no cinema cup competitions. Nobody cares who manages a cinema or who works in a cinema. Nobody debates the merits or otherwise of cinemas on tv shows, radio shows, websites, podcasts, in newspapers, in magazines, in fanzines, etc, etc, etc.

Don’t tell me an intelligent guy like you ever really thought that football supporters are just like cinema goers?

You’re right to suggest that Cardiff City supporters are considered to be no more than customers by the current regime, but that’s certainly not been the case throughout the club’s history and it’s not the case at most professional football clubs either.

That’s all very romantic, but you and i are still only customers at Cardiff City football club.
By the way, Cineworld are above the Odeon on goal difference 👍

[Vindec]

Fair enough. In my view it’s just bollocks.

The club is now apparently refusing to recognise the Trust as an ‘official entity’ because of a deregistration that allegedly occurred in 2016. However, the club has had numerous dealings with the Trust since 2016. Also, I presume CCSC hold no such registration with the Financial Conduct Authority, and yet the club is content to recognise them as an official entity.

I wonder why that is?

I think this exchange is over. You asked me "what leads you to believe that it isn’t" a Trust? I have hopefully answered your question.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I have a generally favourable view of the trust, and I've got no doubt that a lot of the criticism of the club is entirely warranted.
However, writing an open letter to someone's boss complaining about a lack of response is probably not the best way of cultivating an ongoing relationship.
if someone did that to my boss I would understandably be pissed off.
I guess that it probably came out of frustration at a lack of engagement, but there are probably better ways of going about things.

I'm not really a fan of open letters in general tbh, they always come across as a bit self-important.

So if you work in a bank and someone writes to you complaining about the boss you would be pissed off ?

Wouldn't you just send the letter to the boss to deal with it ?

[Rjk]

So if you work in a bank and someone writes to you complaining about the boss you would be pissed off ?

Wouldn't you just send the letter to the boss to deal with it ?

no, I think you've misunderstood here.

if someone wrote to my boss complaining about me then I'd be pissed off.

[William Treseder]

Supporting a football (other sports too) club is definitely a unique situation.

Think you and the Gunman are making it out to be a ‘unique’ situation
You pay your dough, have a few bevvies, go to the game, join in some childish chant’s, go berserk when they score, boo when they’re shite, more bevvy, then go home. Add on a few hrs to all that if you go to away games.
Supporters wanting to poke their beaks into everything that goes on in the boardroom are maybe unique, but luckily thats only a few in the grand scheme of things.

[The Lone Gunman]

Think you and the Gunman are making it out to be a ‘unique’ situation.

I don't think it's a unique situation, but it's obviously a very different situation to that of a cinema-goer.

[William Treseder]

I fund the whole row strange.
What is really behind it?

A few folk on the outside, wanting to be on the inside.

[Baloo]

A few folk on the outside, wanting to be on the inside.

For somebody who only wants to go to games you have an awful lot to say on the matter.

[William Treseder]

Best post so far 👍

Your standards aren’t very high.

[William Treseder]

For somebody who only wants to go to games you have an awful lot to say on the matter.

Your point is caller?

[Baloo]

Your point is caller?

Keep out of it nosey.

[Wash DC Blue]

Think you and the Gunman are making it out to be a ‘unique’ situation
You pay your dough, have a few bevvies, go to the game, join in some childish chant’s, go berserk when they score, boo when they’re shite, more bevvy, then go home. Add on a few hrs to all that if you go to away games.
Supporters wanting to poke their beaks into everything that goes on in the boardroom are maybe unique, but luckily thats only a few in the grand scheme of things.

Of course it's a unique situation.
The emotional attachment is colossal.
Who would miss work and travel from South Wales to Middlesbrough on a Wednesday night for a nothing game if the emotional attachment wasn't there?

[William Treseder]

Keep out of it nosey.

Very droll. Must try harrder. 👍