Michael Gove.

[JamesWales]

I took the piss out of him the other day for something he said about you. It's not just Doucas you patronisingly accuse of getting angry though. You must have forgotten that you do it.

Varied and healthy meals are not getting made in people's homes for 30p with the best budgeting and will in the world. As I said, it'll cost you 30p just to use your oven or hob.

Bye.

Now who's angry..

[JamesWales]

The Tories voted against the minimum wage. Just like they voted against having an NHS.
They may have raised the income tax threshold but then reduced benefits elsewhere
Have you evidence to prove the Tories get more working class people into work than Labour?
The need for food banks is clearly higher in areas of poverty and in case you hadn’t noticed there were precious few foodbanks in existence prior to 2010. Now they are everywhere.

How anyone can defend a Govt full of millionaires who were forced to make a uturn to allow starving children free school meals is beyond me. They are morally bankcrupt liars and in case you hadn’t noticed they are in power far more than Labour so they take the blame for the depressing state of the UK.

You are right - a previous government did many years ago - But now they support it and have raised it by more than the opposition ever did.

Benefits have gone up and down.

Some evidence here on reduced unemployment under the Tories
https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...on-the-economy

Foodbanks have risen across the world in recent years. It's not a good thing, but the fact they are universal and the fact they are worse in areas where the Cons have less control over means to eradicate poverty, may suggest other factors are at play. There will be many, but the global financial crisis was a gamechanger.

The tories didn't vote to not feed starving school kids - they botched the vote but are actually the only party at a UK level to ever actually do it - free school meals in the holidays were never a thing before Covid. Don't believe everything Angela Rayner says.

The UK isn't necessarily in a depressing state - have you compared us to other countries?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I have noticed that Left wingers do love to politicise foodbanks.

Staggering reply.

Foodbanks move state help to charity status.

[JamesWales]

Staggering reply.

Foodbanks move state help to charity status.

It's not a staggering reply. I think it's true. Certain people like to exploit them for political purposes.

As explained,
1 / They exist across Europe and the world and have grown at broadly the same rates irrespective of government colour in those countries.
2 / They are more prominent in parts of the UK where the UK govt has less control over poverty reduction (ie, healthcare, job creation, education, transport etc)

ergo, for people to just lazily blame the UK government is politicising it and not getting to the root of the problem. It is NOT helping to solve the problem. It's politicising it but not helping the issue as the issues go way beyond who is in power in Westminster. The UK govt are undoubtedly part of the story, but not the whole story.

This is a classic example, where the MP we are discussing is saying the foodbank he volunteers at requires people to undertake a course in budget management and cookery - wholly positive things that will only help people over the long term, whilst also helping in the immediate short term. He's right in what he says.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

It's not a staggering reply. I think it's true. Certain people like to exploit them for political purposes.

As explained,
1 / They exist across Europe and the world and have grown at broadly the same rates irrespective of government colour in those countries.
2 / They are more prominent in parts of the UK where the UK govt has less control over poverty reduction (ie, healthcare, job creation, education, transport etc)

ergo, for people to just lazily blame the UK government is politicising it and not getting to the root of the problem. It is NOT helping to solve the problem. It's politicising it but not helping the issue as the issues go way beyond who is in power in Westminster. The UK govt are undoubtedly part of the story, but not the whole story.

This is a classic example, where the MP we are discussing is saying the foodbank he volunteers at requires people to undertake a course in budget management and cookery - wholly positive things that will only help people over the long term, whilst also helping in the immediate short term. He's right in what he says.

It's still moving essential necessities from state help to charity help. In other words, if you're hungry, can't afford to eat, the state won't help you. You're reliant on charity help.

[az city]

He's absolutely right. A foodbank that teaches people how to cook well with ingredients is a better one than one that doesnt.

Great example of a bad headline from the BBC aiding the culture war, and the usual pile ons, but he is spot on

Great optic this: out-of-touch millionaire politician wanker patronizes the poor and indigent.

Out of interest, when do you think was the last time the no-mark Tory cooked for himself?

Fair play to you, Jimbo, you are as assiduous in defending the Tories as Lavrov to Putin.

[az city]

They are in existence and have grown in every country though.
And they occur more frequently in two of the three regions/nations in the UK that have devolved (non Tory) governments.

So the evidence would suggest that the lazt narrative of 'iTs aLl tHe ToreYs fAUlT" clearly isn't true. And if it isnt true, then we won't find a solution.

So no, I think a lot of people are more interesting in making political capital out of the situation rather than genuinely helping.

There's loads of issues at play, it's complex, but quite clearly helping families and individuals to cook better and to make food go further is a good thing. Damn site more helpful than middle class people on twitter getting angry at the bloke who said it.

Now you're being clearly disingenuous and ridiculous.

You know for a fact that Tory areas are generally wealthier and therefore are less likely to have as many foodbanks.

Stop pretending you aren't biased and a paragon of unbiased reason. You aren't. Nowhere near.

[JamesWales]

It's still moving essential necessities from state help to charity help. In other words, if you're hungry, can't afford to eat, the state won't help you. You're reliant on charity help.

I never said it was a good thing. The point is to change it and produce a system that best helps people in the long run

[JamesWales]

Great optic this: out-of-touch millionaire politician wanker patronizes the poor and indigent.

Out of interest, when do you think was the last time the no-mark Tory cooked for himself?

Fair play to you, Jimbo, you are as assiduous in defending the Tories as Lavrov to Putin.

Textbook stuff. Avoid the points being made and make some loose comments about millionaires, oh and make some cheap comment about Putin too. A+ Prof! The MP in question is a former miner and he is suggesting that food banks where people are enrolled on budget and cookery courses are better than those that don't. Do you disagree?

[North Cardiff Blue]

Didn’t put this on the politics board because I don’t think it’s political really - made me laugh.

https://youtu.be/XBQCPZOnxF4

He's very odd?

[JamesWales]

Now you're being clearly disingenuous and ridiculous.

You know for a fact that Tory areas are generally wealthier and therefore are less likely to have as many foodbanks.

Stop pretending you aren't biased and a paragon of unbiased reason. You aren't. Nowhere near.

Maybe you've been out of the country too long, or not familiar with the stats (I know you are a theory man)?

But Scotland isn't income poor. And Wales is similar on most levels with N.East England, and yet we were (in 2017/18) at least, significantly more reliant on food banks. Also, the welathiest part of the UK by far is London, which is as solid Labour as it gets nowadays.

The point is: People lazily blaming the UK government are misdiagnosing the problem and if you do that you will not solve it. People say these areas need more Labour in their lives, but thats a bit like saying they need more jesus in their lives - it makes the teller feel righteous, but there is no evidence to support it.

Much better, if we want to solve this issue, that we stick to the facts:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/regio...dhi/1997to2019

https://www.statista.com/chart/14092...-foodbanks-uk/

[North Cardiff Blue]

I think that's what the Tories want.
They have fecked Britain over for a good decade or two and are happy to pass the reigns over to someone else and then blame them for the next 10 years until everyone forgets or gets brained washed vote them back in for them to rape us once more......................
Look how long Britain has been under Tory rule over the last 100 years..... but its Labour's fault for the few years that they have been in power to try and give the working man a better life
But they are the Masters of turning working class against working class by telling them you are better than him/her because you earn a couple of pound more an hour ffs

It was so much better in 1978, 2000 strikes, gravediggers on strike dead bodies piling up and bins unemptied, Railways strikes, Nurses on strike, ambulance drivers refusing to work, ah those were the days!

[Hilts]

Micheal Gove

Micheal Fabricant

Rees Mogg

There are people who vote for these weasels

Unbelievable

😂😂😂

[North Cardiff Blue]

Micheal Gove

Micheal Fabricant

Rees Mogg

There are people who vote for these weasels

Unbelievable

All odd, Fabricant is the strangest of them all.

[HiVis]

Staggering reply.

Foodbanks move state help to charity status.

Why is state help ok but charitable help is not? And whatever your answer is, it will ignore the point that we really shouldnt need either form of assistance in one of the richest countries in the world.

The left and right arguing whose form of assistance and help is best is akin to two bald men arguing over a comb.

These threads are utterly pointless and bereft of any kind of critique or objectivity.

[blue matt]

It was so much better in 1978, 2000 strikes, gravediggers on strike dead bodies piling up and bins unemptied, Railways strikes, Nurses on strike, ambulance drivers refusing to work, ah those were the days!

and not a birthday cake in sight

[Hilts]

I genuinely dont know. But I believe inflation is 7%. Did the Tories increase thre minimum age above this?

Many thousands of public sector workers still waiting for any public sector pay increase and the forthcoming one is well below the level of inflation.

Meanwhile BP post record profits as people struggle with the cost of living and head to the food banks.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

Maybe you didn't read the article you posted?

Granted, it is designed to inflame the culture wars and to be spread far and wide on social media, rather than accurately report anything - thats why the quote from the man who is accused comes so far down in the article.

But as stated, the buffet was put on not by them, but by the organisers, and they were asked to cut the ribbon. Also, everyone in the photo is smiling.

So, yes, thats why I think left wingers love politicising these issues - not surprised to see the Lord Chief of Smug James O'Brien getting involved.

Of course I read it. Don't be patronising. You're missing the point. It's clearly a stupid idea and they were always going to get grief for it, especially after they posted photos on their own Facebook page. They could quite easily have explained to the organisers that eating at a foodbank opening wasn't a good idea so thanks but no thanks.
It's like an episode of The Thick of It. Malcolm Tucker would be apoplectic.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

https://images.app.goo.gl/o6LG2WRM3XVoiAPZ7

The rt hon James Wales CCMB

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

A mum with 3 kids whose husband is on a zero hours job contract , minimum wage is NOT going to be knocking up a healthy low cost meal for 30 pence ff sake

She's probably under incredible stress and pressure , possibly seeing the doctor for that anxiety

A food bank will provide her with tins of soup , beans , bread ......sorry white only .....jelly , custard , corned beef , tinned peas , tinned carrots etc

These fecking Tories telling poor people what to do whilst they snack on duck pate

They need a good slap

[insider]

It was so much better in 1978, 2000 strikes, gravediggers on strike dead bodies piling up and bins unemptied, Railways strikes, Nurses on strike, ambulance drivers refusing to work, ah those were the days!

1978
On a normal working class wage you could:-
Afford to get on the property ladder
Put your kids through Uni
Buy a weekly shop without taking a mortgage out.

We also had a proper NHS which actually had mental health services and services to look after our old people
We also owned all our utilities which weren't driven by shareholder profit so the cost was relatively cheap.
Agh 78 what a shit time to be alive.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Are you joking?
It was good times in 1978?
How many people bought there own house?
How many people went to Uni?
Buy a weekly shop, there were 2000 strikes including lorry drivers, can you remember what people ate in 78?
NHS in Labour run Wales is a disgrace I agree it's probably as bad as 78.
Were the Utilities reliable, there were constant blackouts and power cuts?
As I say Ah those were the days!

[North Cardiff Blue]

1978
On a normal working class wage you could:-
Afford to get on the property ladder
Put your kids through Uni
Buy a weekly shop without taking a mortgage out.

We also had a proper NHS which actually had mental health services and services to look after our old people
We also owned all our utilities which weren't driven by shareholder profit so the cost was relatively cheap.
Agh 78 what a shit time to be alive.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...d-pub-25034880

[the other bob wilson]

Why is state help ok but charitable help is not? And whatever your answer is, it will ignore the point that we really shouldnt need either form of assistance in one of the richest countries in the world.

The left and right arguing whose form of assistance and help is best is akin to two bald men arguing over a comb.

These threads are utterly pointless and bereft of any kind of critique or objectivity.

David Cameron's "big society" was essentially about getting the ordinary punter to pay towards services his Government were cutting down on in their "we're all in this together" austerity programme. The whole notion of food banks is on a similar theme. I agree with you to the extent that it is a disgrace that there is such a heavy reliance on them in what we're told is the fifth richest country in the world.

I'd also say that Labour have to be held culpable for there being the number of food banks there were in the noughties, but in 2019 the Trussell Trust said there had been a 3,900 per cent increase in the number of foodbanks in the UK since 2010 - when you're talking figures of such magnitude, this has to be a party political issue because it seems reasonable to believe that the increase would not have been as great if any other party but the Conservatives had been in power for that time.

https://www.charity-works.co.uk/food...st%209%20years.

[the other bob wilson]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...d-pub-25034880

But that doesn't make what insider said wrong. I was in my early twenties in 1978 and all of the stuff he says is true.

The winter of discontent was probably the one event over any other which proved that some unions had too much power and there was a reaction against that in the years which followed, but the pendulum has swung even further towards the employer/shareholder since then and, in my view, a degree of correction is needed as much now as it was in 1978.