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Thread: Have the old guard run out of steam?

  1. #26

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    Every team is only as good as they are today, not yesterday, not tomorrow, we’ve qualified for the World Cup Finals today and we’re in the top 32 in the world. Let’s enjoy it.
    Your right. Its been a brilliant achievement by the entire squad to qualify.

    Wish I hadnt commented.

    Should just enjoy the success.

  2. #27

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus_Mills View Post
    I thought Alan was a disaster waiting to happen. Amazed Page didn't bring on Morrel to shore things up.
    What f***ing game were you watching !!!

  3. #28

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    What f***ing game were you watching !!!
    Are you kidding? Allen was terrible. kept giving the ball away in our own third and was lucky not to give away a penalty.

  4. #29

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    What f***ing game were you watching !!!
    I stopped counting at the amount of possession he gave away.

    Ultimately doesn't matter as we won.

  5. #30

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus_Mills View Post
    Are you kidding? Allen was terrible. kept giving the ball away in our own third and was lucky not to give away a penalty.
    Quote Originally Posted by dembethewarrior View Post
    I stopped counting at the amount of possession he gave away.

    Ultimately doesn't matter as we won.
    Watch last nights MOTD and Tony Pulis’s take on Joe Allen.

    He was our only recognised midfielder on the pitch .

    Ramsey roams, Bale drifts, Joe does all the work

  6. #31

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Its interesting to think of what they would have done if Wales had lost on Sunday. I wouldn't have thought that Bale and Allen would have stuck around beyond these Nations League games and Ramsey would probably have been one more long term injury away from retirement too.
    Usually I'd say sport and sentiment aren't a good mix but having this World Cup as a final hurrah for a lot of those from the Tosh and ,more importantly, Speed eras (including stalwarts such as Gunter and Williams) feels very fitting to me.

  7. #32

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    In short, no they will be ready for the world cup. Bale was clearly not fit enough for a game of that intensity and I suspect Rambo having a few niggles and not a massive amount of game time at Rangers.

    If we're going to be a tiny bit critical at all maybe we played the wrong formation / starters/ players out of position to get the best out of them.

    It reminded me a little bit of that period in the early 90s where we tried to play about 6 forwards - because they were our best individuals rather than what's best for the team.

  8. #33

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    Watch last nights MOTD and Tony Pulis’s take on Joe Allen.

    He was our only recognised midfielder on the pitch .

    Ramsey roams, Bale drifts, Joe does all the work
    I don't need another person's take on it, I saw what I saw. He gave the ball away. Not even criticising him for it as like I said we won the game..

  9. #34

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by dembethewarrior View Post
    I don't need another person's take on it, I saw what I saw. He gave the ball away. Not even criticising him for it as like I said we won the game..
    There was only one player that I constantly swore at throughout the game and that was Joe Allen. Gave it away so many times, very ponderous on the ball.

    I’ve never forgiven him for celebrating in front of me and the rest of Block A mind.

  10. #35

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Ramsey and Allen struggled with the ball movement of the Ukraine midfield at times, and Ramsey was getting ahead of the ball, which is his game so it's difficult to be critical. Overall though, they got the job done, so who gives a ****!
    The World Cup is 3 games in 9 days, so I hope somebody is giving a **** There is also the possibility that Williams & Gunter will be blocking the path of players who can make a meaningful contribution on the pitch.

  11. #36

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by dembethewarrior View Post
    I don't need another person's take on it, I saw what I saw. He gave the ball away. Not even criticising him for it as like I said we won the game..
    Quote Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927 View Post
    There was only one player that I constantly swore at throughout the game and that was Joe Allen. Gave it away so many times, very ponderous on the ball.

    I’ve never forgiven him for celebrating in front of me and the rest of Block A mind.
    You 2 need to watch the game again

    Joe Allen watch
    2nd minute interception, wins ball but then commits a foul leading to a booking
    4th minute interception passes to Ben
    5th minute passes to a welsh player
    6 minute passes to Ben
    6 minute passes to Conner
    6th minute passes to Bale
    12th minute passes to Rodon
    13th minute 2 passes to Wayne and Ramsey
    14th minute won ball
    15th minute 3 passes to Ben, Bale and Ramsey
    18th minute passes to Rodon
    20th minute pass to Conner
    22nd minute pass to Ampadu
    23rd minute pass to Bale
    27th minute pass to Conner
    29th minute interception passes to Ramsey
    36th minute 2 interceptions
    37th minute he’s fouled
    39th minute penalty incident
    HALF TIME
    46th minute won ball
    47th minute ball played off his boot
    56th minute won ball passes to Ramsey
    61st minute pass to Bale
    67th minute lost the ball with 3 Ukraine players around him
    71st minute fouled winning the ball
    75th minute wins ball passes to Nico
    76th minute wins defensive header
    78th minute wins 2 headers
    80th minute clearance from defence
    86th minute wonderful defensive tackle near the 6 yard line, plus clearance

    So he lost the ball twice

  12. #37

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    You 2 need to watch the game again

    Joe Allen watch
    2nd minute interception, wins ball but then commits a foul leading to a booking
    4th minute interception passes to Ben
    5th minute passes to a welsh player
    6 minute passes to Ben
    6 minute passes to Conner
    6th minute passes to Bale
    12th minute passes to Rodon
    13th minute 2 passes to Wayne and Ramsey
    14th minute won ball
    15th minute 3 passes to Ben, Bale and Ramsey
    18th minute passes to Rodon
    20th minute pass to Conner
    22nd minute pass to Ampadu
    23rd minute pass to Bale
    27th minute pass to Conner
    29th minute interception passes to Ramsey
    36th minute 2 interceptions
    37th minute he’s fouled
    39th minute penalty incident
    HALF TIME
    46th minute won ball
    47th minute ball played off his boot
    56th minute won ball passes to Ramsey
    61st minute pass to Bale
    67th minute lost the ball with 3 Ukraine players around him
    71st minute fouled winning the ball
    75th minute wins ball passes to Nico
    76th minute wins defensive header
    78th minute wins 2 headers
    80th minute clearance from defence
    86th minute wonderful defensive tackle near the 6 yard line, plus clearance

    So he lost the ball twice
    I really respect the commitment to this, fair play

  13. #38

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    You 2 need to watch the game again

    Joe Allen watch
    2nd minute interception, wins ball but then commits a foul leading to a booking
    4th minute interception passes to Ben
    5th minute passes to a welsh player
    6 minute passes to Ben
    6 minute passes to Conner
    6th minute passes to Bale
    12th minute passes to Rodon
    13th minute 2 passes to Wayne and Ramsey
    14th minute won ball
    15th minute 3 passes to Ben, Bale and Ramsey
    18th minute passes to Rodon
    20th minute pass to Conner
    22nd minute pass to Ampadu
    23rd minute pass to Bale
    27th minute pass to Conner
    29th minute interception passes to Ramsey
    36th minute 2 interceptions
    37th minute he’s fouled
    39th minute penalty incident
    HALF TIME
    46th minute won ball
    47th minute ball played off his boot
    56th minute won ball passes to Ramsey
    61st minute pass to Bale
    67th minute lost the ball with 3 Ukraine players around him
    71st minute fouled winning the ball
    75th minute wins ball passes to Nico
    76th minute wins defensive header
    78th minute wins 2 headers
    80th minute clearance from defence
    86th minute wonderful defensive tackle near the 6 yard line, plus clearance

    So he lost the ball twice
    He was still a liability.

  14. #39

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus_Mills View Post
    He was still a liability.
    Why? It was interesting to hear Tony Pulis go out of his way to praise, Ramsey and, in particular, Allen for how they played on Sunday - Pulis may be a bit one dimensional tactically, but he’s not tactically naive. No disrespect, but I’d take his word over yours and, also, Bluetit’s analysis does seem pretty conclusive.

  15. #40

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    You 2 need to watch the game again

    Joe Allen watch
    2nd minute interception, wins ball but then commits a foul leading to a booking
    4th minute interception passes to Ben
    5th minute passes to a welsh player
    6 minute passes to Ben
    6 minute passes to Conner
    6th minute passes to Bale
    12th minute passes to Rodon
    13th minute 2 passes to Wayne and Ramsey
    14th minute won ball
    15th minute 3 passes to Ben, Bale and Ramsey
    18th minute passes to Rodon
    20th minute pass to Conner
    22nd minute pass to Ampadu
    23rd minute pass to Bale
    27th minute pass to Conner
    29th minute interception passes to Ramsey
    36th minute 2 interceptions
    37th minute he’s fouled
    39th minute penalty incident
    HALF TIME
    46th minute won ball
    47th minute ball played off his boot
    56th minute won ball passes to Ramsey
    61st minute pass to Bale
    67th minute lost the ball with 3 Ukraine players around him
    71st minute fouled winning the ball
    75th minute wins ball passes to Nico
    76th minute wins defensive header
    78th minute wins 2 headers
    80th minute clearance from defence
    86th minute wonderful defensive tackle near the 6 yard line, plus clearance

    So he lost the ball twice
    Brilliant! Please do this for every player and every game. This is better than WOL player ratings.

  16. #41

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Dale's Mole View Post
    Brilliant! Please do this for every player and every game. This is better than WOL player ratings.
    F*** that, the Mrs wasn’t to pleased, I didn’t get to bed till 1.00am

  17. #42

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    F*** that, the Mrs wasn’t to pleased, I didn’t get to bed till 1.00am
    worth it!

  18. #43

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    You 2 need to watch the game again

    Joe Allen watch
    2nd minute interception, wins ball but then commits a foul leading to a booking
    4th minute interception passes to Ben
    5th minute passes to a welsh player
    6 minute passes to Ben
    6 minute passes to Conner
    6th minute passes to Bale
    12th minute passes to Rodon
    13th minute 2 passes to Wayne and Ramsey
    14th minute won ball
    15th minute 3 passes to Ben, Bale and Ramsey
    18th minute passes to Rodon
    20th minute pass to Conner
    22nd minute pass to Ampadu
    23rd minute pass to Bale
    27th minute pass to Conner
    29th minute interception passes to Ramsey
    36th minute 2 interceptions
    37th minute he’s fouled
    39th minute penalty incident
    HALF TIME
    46th minute won ball
    47th minute ball played off his boot
    56th minute won ball passes to Ramsey
    61st minute pass to Bale
    67th minute lost the ball with 3 Ukraine players around him
    71st minute fouled winning the ball
    75th minute wins ball passes to Nico
    76th minute wins defensive header
    78th minute wins 2 headers
    80th minute clearance from defence
    86th minute wonderful defensive tackle near the 6 yard line, plus clearance

    So he lost the ball twice
    I still don’t agree but respectfully concede as you are way more committed than I’ll ever be 🤣

  19. #44

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Been anywhere nice with Joe this week Tony? You do seem very close

  20. #45

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by PhyllisStant View Post
    In short, no they will be ready for the world cup. Bale was clearly not fit enough for a game of that intensity and I suspect Rambo having a few niggles and not a massive amount of game time at Rangers.

    If we're going to be a tiny bit critical at all maybe we played the wrong formation / starters/ players out of position to get the best out of them.

    It reminded me a little bit of that period in the early 90s where we tried to play about 6 forwards - because they were our best individuals rather than what's best for the team.
    It reminded me of the days in the early 70s when we seemed to play Tosh, Wyn Davies and Ron Davies as three forwards, but no one to really supply them with the ball

  21. #46

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    You 2 need to watch the game again

    Joe Allen watch
    2nd minute interception, wins ball but then commits a foul leading to a booking
    4th minute interception passes to Ben
    5th minute passes to a welsh player
    6 minute passes to Ben
    6 minute passes to Conner
    6th minute passes to Bale
    12th minute passes to Rodon
    13th minute 2 passes to Wayne and Ramsey
    14th minute won ball
    15th minute 3 passes to Ben, Bale and Ramsey
    18th minute passes to Rodon
    20th minute pass to Conner
    22nd minute pass to Ampadu
    23rd minute pass to Bale
    27th minute pass to Conner
    29th minute interception passes to Ramsey
    36th minute 2 interceptions
    37th minute he’s fouled
    39th minute penalty incident
    HALF TIME
    46th minute won ball
    47th minute ball played off his boot
    56th minute won ball passes to Ramsey
    61st minute pass to Bale
    67th minute lost the ball with 3 Ukraine players around him
    71st minute fouled winning the ball
    75th minute wins ball passes to Nico
    76th minute wins defensive header
    78th minute wins 2 headers
    80th minute clearance from defence
    86th minute wonderful defensive tackle near the 6 yard line, plus clearance

    So he lost the ball twice
    tremendous work.

    what does "ball played off his boot" mean though?

  22. #47

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    tremendous work.

    what does "ball played off his boot" mean though?
    He went in for a challenge with 2 or 3 Ukrainians and one of them kicked the ball onto his boot

    Think it rebounded to Bale

  23. #48

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    He went in for a challenge with 2 or 3 Ukrainians and one of them kicked the ball onto his boot

    Think it rebounded to Bale
    A better player would have controlled that

  24. #49

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    You 2 need to watch the game again

    Joe Allen watch
    2nd minute interception, wins ball but then commits a foul leading to a booking
    4th minute interception passes to Ben
    5th minute passes to a welsh player
    6 minute passes to Ben
    6 minute passes to Conner
    6th minute passes to Bale
    12th minute passes to Rodon
    13th minute 2 passes to Wayne and Ramsey
    14th minute won ball
    15th minute 3 passes to Ben, Bale and Ramsey
    18th minute passes to Rodon
    20th minute pass to Conner
    22nd minute pass to Ampadu
    23rd minute pass to Bale
    27th minute pass to Conner
    29th minute interception passes to Ramsey
    36th minute 2 interceptions
    37th minute he’s fouled
    39th minute penalty incident
    HALF TIME
    46th minute won ball
    47th minute ball played off his boot
    56th minute won ball passes to Ramsey
    61st minute pass to Bale
    67th minute lost the ball with 3 Ukraine players around him
    71st minute fouled winning the ball
    75th minute wins ball passes to Nico
    76th minute wins defensive header
    78th minute wins 2 headers
    80th minute clearance from defence
    86th minute wonderful defensive tackle near the 6 yard line, plus clearance

    So he lost the ball twice
    No ****ing way they actually just turned this into a WOL article :

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...dence-24180625

  25. #50

    Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Dale's Mole View Post
    No ****ing way they actually just turned this into a WOL article :

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...dence-24180625



    Plagiarism at it’s finest

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