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    War Crimes Welsh Gov ??

    https://www.thenational.wales/news/2...city/?ref=ebln

    Oooooooooooh noooooo

    European Centre for Constitutional and Human Rights (ECCHR) not happy again , its been a busy week for them .

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    Re: War Crimes Welsh Gov ??

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    https://www.thenational.wales/news/2...city/?ref=ebln

    Oooooooooooh noooooo

    European Centre for Constitutional and Human Rights (ECCHR) not happy again , its been a busy week for them .
    You do know that the ECCHR has nothing whatsoever to with the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), right?

    Oooooooooh noooooo!

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    Re: War Crimes Welsh Gov ??

    Just to close your little gotcha circle. Whilst the Welsh Government funded £15m in a cyber security facility in Ebbw Vale the UK government has awarded around £5 billion in contracts to Thales, mostly MoD including arms that could directly find their way to Saudi Arabia to prolong the war in the Yemen including the Watchkeeper drones specifically reference in your article..

    https://www.tussell.com/insights/bae...88%20contracts.

    https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/world...ct-watchkeeper

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56128375

    We await your repudiation of the war crimes of the UK government with interest!

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    Re: War Crimes Welsh Gov ??

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Just to close your little gotcha circle. Whilst the Welsh Government funded £15m in a cyber security facility in Ebbw Vale the UK government has awarded around £5 billion in contracts to Thales, mostly MoD including arms that could directly find their way to Saudi Arabia to prolong the war in the Yemen including the Watchkeeper drones specifically reference in your article..

    https://www.tussell.com/insights/bae...88%20contracts.

    https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/world...ct-watchkeeper

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56128375

    We await your repudiation of the war crimes of the UK government with interest!
    The difference perhaps, is that we live in Wales (and Britain) and the WG do try and make a virtue out of being different to the UK government, when in a great many respects they aren't.

    My point has always been that all government, irrespective of rosette colour, are hypocrites, do bad, do good, twist the truth and all the rest - thats because thats the reality of governing.

    In that sense, you are both right, and we should hold them both to account, whilst also balancing that with the morality vs jobs/economy issue.

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    Re: War Crimes Welsh Gov ??

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    The difference perhaps, is that we live in Wales (and Britain) and the WG do try and make a virtue out of being different to the UK government, when in a great many respects they aren't.

    My point has always been that all government, irrespective of rosette colour, are hypocrites, do bad, do good, twist the truth and all the rest - thats because thats the reality of governing.

    In that sense, you are both right, and we should hold them both to account, whilst also balancing that with the morality vs jobs/economy issue.
    Must be fun pretending to pivot on the middle of a see-saw. The seer that is LoM set out his stall of Welsh Government complicity in war crimes based on the investment on cyber security, nothing to do with military activity in the middle east. The UK government is supplying arms directly to Saudi Arabia to allow them to arm their proxies in the same way as Iran is for the rebels. This is directly prolonging the conflict.

    How you can seek to form some kind of moral equivalence between the actions of the two governments in this instance is frankly flabbergasting!

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    Re: War Crimes Welsh Gov ??

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Must be fun pretending to pivot on the middle of a see-saw. The seer that is LoM set out his stall of Welsh Government complicity in war crimes based on the investment on cyber security, nothing to do with military activity in the middle east. The UK government is supplying arms directly to Saudi Arabia to allow them to arm their proxies in the same way as Iran is for the rebels. This is directly prolonging the conflict.

    How you can seek to form some kind of moral equivalence between the actions of the two governments in this instance is frankly flabbergasting!
    Yes, although the WG also awarded a grant. The UK govt supplied a product that was paid for. Controversial as it may be.

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