Train strikes

[Doucas]

UK official inflation is CPI at 9%, RPI at 11%. This stagflation is bad enough. Should it become hyperinflation then man the lifeboats.

I'm not sure of the difference between consumer prices index and retail price index but i don't believe that covers anything I listed. (Housing, fuel, gas/electric). Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[HiVis]

I'm not sure of the difference between consumer prices index and retail price index but i don't believe that covers anything I listed. (Housing, fuel, gas/electric). Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

CPI and RPI both include the costs you have referred to. The main difference between them is the cost of mortgages, which are included in RPI but not CPI.

Inflation is nowhere near 20%, but give it time and the way things are going

[Doucas]

CPI and RPI both include the costs you have referred to. The main difference between them is the cost of mortgages, which are included in RPI but not CPI.

Inflation is nowhere near 20%, but give it time and the way things are going

Also just to add is rent included anywhere?

[The Bloop]

CPI and RPI both include the costs you have referred to. The main difference between them is the cost of mortgages, which are included in RPI but not CPI.

Inflation is nowhere near 20%, but give it time and the way things are going

CPI is a weighted average aswell, whereas RPI is a more similar arithmetic mean.

[Doucas]

CPI and RPI both include the costs you have referred to. The main difference between them is the cost of mortgages, which are included in RPI but not CPI.

Inflation is nowhere near 20%, but give it time and the way things are going

I'm curious about the weighting of this as fuel has gone up by at least 30% over the past 12 months, electric and gas has basically doubled. These aren't like cars, these are things people have to spend money on now.

[HiVis]

I'm curious about the weighting of this as fuel has gone up by at least 30% over the past 12 months, electric and gas has basically doubled. These aren't like cars, these are things people have to spend money on now.

There are something like 100 of the most common items in both CPI and RPI calculations, and whilst some might be rising in price, others might be falling or remaining the same. Inflation is a weighted average of the price rises of everything put together. It is also the weighted average for the average person. so whilst the cost of nappies or iPhones may be included, these probably aren't relevant for pensioners.

Also, rent is included in RPI and CPI.

[Eric Cartman]

There are something like 100 of the most common items in both CPI and RPI calculations, and whilst some might be rising in price, others might be falling or remaining the same. Inflation is a weighted average of the price rises of everything put together. It is also the weighted average for the average person. so whilst the cost of nappies or iPhones may be included, these probably aren't relevant for pensioners.

Also, rent is included in RPI and CPI.

I'd like to think a pensioner is more like to need a nappy than I do (excluding after a big night out obviously)

[Doucas]

A few points, inflation is happening and has been happening for years, certainly pre COVID. The hens are coming home roost about Brexit, as well. Network Rail made 500m last year. The rich are getting richer, and the working classes are paying for it. Inflation is brought on by Tory ineptitude and greed. Pay rises should be in line with inflation, as the products are made more and more expensive. National Rail also put their fares up by 4% this year, while staff haven't had a pay rise in 4 years.

Re the wrong side of history comment, if anyone will come out on the wrong side of history, it will be the Tories and the rich. The NR boss is on 600k a year while many staff are on under 20k a year, and are getting poorer year on year.

The gap between rich and the rest in this country is growing at an alarming rate, and if we don't stop it now, we never will. The Tories want this to happen, and they want the strike to sow division.

As for Mick Lynch, refreshing to hear someone sit so many of these politicians and "experts" down. He knows his stuff, and he also doesn't have to worry about his "progression" or the rest of the garbage the MPs and other guests think about. He's doing what he thinks is right and has the facts to back it up and the lying Tory MPs have no answer apart from personal insults.

Well said, I cannot get my head around why anyone votes tory these days. Fortunately the young see through the lies and how the media is basically all owned by right wing billionaires. You look at the demographics and you'll see tories are dying out. I've known 3 Tories in my life closely, one believed in angels, one turned out to literally be a paedophile and the other was a wife beater.

Why is there a huge correlation between education and voting left wing? Weird that.

Most young people want what people in this country had in the past, houses and families. In the 60s you could own a house and have a family just on a postman's salary without your other half working, why have we made society so that we can't do this today? Weird how there's more billionaires than ever now.

[lardy]

Well said, I cannot get my head around why anyone votes tory these days. Fortunately the young see through the lies and how the media is basically all owned by right wing billionaires. You look at the demographics and you'll see tories are dying out. I've known 3 Tories in my life closely, one believed in angels, one turned out to literally be a paedophile and the other was a wife beater.

Why is there a huge correlation between education and voting left wing? Weird that.

Most young people want what people in this country had in the past, houses and families. In the 60s you could own a house and have a family just on a postman's salary without your other half working, why have we made society so that we can't do this today? Weird how there's more billionaires than ever now.

Sadly, people get more right wing as they get older

[splott parker]

Sadly, people get more right wing as they get older

Not me

[North Cardiff Blue]

Sadly, people get more right wing as they get older

I think people vote for what is best for them and their families at the time, thats why you shouldn't be a fixed Labour or Tory or anywhere inbetween, sometimes youre circusmtances will change in either direction.

[lardy]

I think people vote for what is best for them and their families at the time, thats why you shouldn't be a fixed Labour or Tory or anywhere inbetween, sometimes youre circusmtances will change in either direction.

Yeah I think that has a lot to do with it

[HiVis]

Yeah I think that has a lot to do with it

People become more conservative as they get older because they want certainty not change. It is also true to say that by and large, you're more idealistic when you are younger so you want more radical policies rather than the status quo.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Well said, I cannot get my head around why anyone votes tory these days. Fortunately the young see through the lies and how the media is basically all owned by right wing billionaires. You look at the demographics and you'll see tories are dying out. I've known 3 Tories in my life closely, one believed in angels, one turned out to literally be a paedophile and the other was a wife beater.

Why is there a huge correlation between education and voting left wing? Weird that.

Most young people want what people in this country had in the past, houses and families. In the 60s you could own a house and have a family just on a postman's salary without your other half working, why have we made society so that we can't do this today? Weird how there's more billionaires than ever now.

Sounds lovely where in the World could someone be a postman and buy a nice house and keep a family on one average wage?

Back then although it may have been possible, although i'm not sure it really was in reality, people wanted a lot less and it was a much lower standard of living.

[dml1954]

Well said, I cannot get my head around why anyone votes tory these days. Fortunately the young see through the lies and how the media is basically all owned by right wing billionaires. You look at the demographics and you'll see tories are dying out. I've known 3 Tories in my life closely, one believed in angels, one turned out to literally be a paedophile and the other was a wife beater.

Why is there a huge correlation between education and voting left wing? Weird that.

Most young people want what people in this country had in the past, houses and families. In the 60s you could own a house and have a family just on a postman's salary without your other half working, why have we made society so that we can't do this today? Weird how there's more billionaires than ever now.

So, based on your obviously vast experience (poll sample of 3 and we only have your word for their ‘failings’ anyway !), anyone who votes Tory is either off with the fairies, a paedophile or a wife beater. Jesus wept what a stupid thing to say. A golden example of why anyone should NEVER vote Socialist. Nearly 14 million people voted Tory by the way in 2019. Anyone who thinks these rail strikes aren't orchestrated by left wing parties only had to look at the front row of the march in support yesterday, to get a major reality check. Labour firmly in the pocket of the Unions once again - nothing changes does it.

[JamesWales]

Well said, I cannot get my head around why anyone votes tory these days. Fortunately the young see through the lies and how the media is basically all owned by right wing billionaires. You look at the demographics and you'll see tories are dying out. I've known 3 Tories in my life closely, one believed in angels, one turned out to literally be a paedophile and the other was a wife beater.

Why is there a huge correlation between education and voting left wing? Weird that.

Most young people want what people in this country had in the past, houses and families. In the 60s you could own a house and have a family just on a postman's salary without your other half working, why have we made society so that we can't do this today? Weird how there's more billionaires than ever now.

Absolutely barmy

You've accidentally posted your letter to Viz on CCMB mate.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Absolutely barmy

You've accidentally posted your letter to Viz on CCMB mate.

It's a cracker isn't it, he's obviously so superior and well educated

[the other bob wilson]

Absolutely barmy

You've accidentally posted your letter to Viz on CCMB mate.

It’s not barmy to ask why people vote Tory these days. Brexit? Immigration? Union bashing? I only mention those three because the Tories appear to have the debate centred on these subjects in the days leading up to a couple of by elections where they are under pressure in seats they hold.

As for dml’s claims about left wing party’s orchestrating the rail strikes, do you think Labour welcome a national rail strike on the day of the Wakefield by election?

[JamesWales]

It’s not barmy to ask why people vote Tory these days. Brexit? Immigration? Union bashing? I only mention those three because the Tories appear to have the debate centred on these subjects in the days leading up to a couple of by elections where they are under pressure in seats they hold.

As for dml’s claims about left wing party’s orchestrating the rail strikes, do you think Labour welcome a national rail strike on the day of the Wakefield by election?

Asking a sensible question about why people vote a certain way is of course legitimate. But not when framed in such an absurd, inaccurate and generally abusive and ignorant manner littered with falsehoods, tropes and populist rose-tinted gossip about how great the 60's were.

It would be an interesting topic to explore, I agree. Start a thread.

[the other bob wilson]

Asking a sensible question about why people vote a certain way is of course legitimate. But not when framed in such an absurd, inaccurate and generally abusive and ignorant manner littered with falsehoods, tropes and populist rose-tinted gossip about how great the 60's were.

It would be an interesting topic to explore, I agree. Start a thread.

Is that a command?

[the other bob wilson]

Asking a sensible question about why people vote a certain way is of course legitimate. But not when framed in such an absurd, inaccurate and generally abusive and ignorant manner littered with falsehoods, tropes and populist rose-tinted gossip about how great the 60's were.

It would be an interesting topic to explore, I agree. Start a thread.

For a start, I was growing up in the sixties and Doucas is right about how there were home owning families where the husband would be the only bread winner - I wouldn’t say it was common as far as home owning is concerned, but not one of the wives in the block of six houses I lived in from 1963 was in full time employment.

Is Doucas wrong to say there are more billionaires these days (I’ll also ask if there are more in poverty in this country although I know the answer)? I accept he’s got a bee in his bonnet about how all of us old fogeys are right wingers, but about seven or eight years ago I was telling my nieces and nephew that I didn’t envy them having to grow up when they were compared to when I did and, if anything, that’s truer today than it was then.

[dml1954]

It’s not barmy to ask why people vote Tory these days. Brexit? Immigration? Union bashing? I only mention those three because the Tories appear to have the debate centred on these subjects in the days leading up to a couple of by elections where they are under pressure in seats they hold.

As for dml’s claims about left wing party’s orchestrating the rail strikes, do you think Labour welcome a national rail strike on the day of the Wakefield by election?

They would welcome a rail strike on any day. Why anyway, do most Labour supporters travel to vote by train ?

[the other bob wilson]

They would welcome a rail strike on any day. Why anyway, do most Labour supporters travel to vote by train ?

Talk about naive! Tomorrow, Labour need to get anything from 1,500 to 3,000 people who did not vote for them in 2019 in Wakefield to do so this time - do you really think that “organising” a national rail strike is a good way to do that? Maybe that’s why Labour are losing General Elections - they should organise a General Strike for the one in 2024

[North Cardiff Blue]

Well said, I cannot get my head around why anyone votes tory these days. Fortunately the young see through the lies and how the media is basically all owned by right wing billionaires. You look at the demographics and you'll see tories are dying out. I've known 3 Tories in my life closely, one believed in angels, one turned out to literally be a paedophile and the other was a wife beater.

Why is there a huge correlation between education and voting left wing? Weird that.

Most young people want what people in this country had in the past, houses and families. In the 60s you could own a house and have a family just on a postman's salary without your other half working, why have we made society so that we can't do this today? Weird how there's more billionaires than ever now.

Amazing seeing as you have never told a lie, and you know hundreds of people also none of those have ever told a lie or broken a covid rule come to that, and only three are tories, I think you want to question whether or not any of them have ever lied to you as the torries won the last election by a landslide!

[JamesWales]

Amazing seeing as you have never told a lie, and you know hundreds of people also none of those have ever told a lie or broken a covid rule come to that, and only three are tories, I think you want to question whether or not any of them have ever lied to you as the torries won the last election by a landslide!

As if anyone who is a Tory would tell Doucus. It reminds me of a raging homophobe I once knew in work who would say "Well I don't know any of these bloody gays". Yeah mate..I wonder why.