Shock horror that the trade union want a deal to try and reduce the huge downward spiral in their real terms living conditions. Its staggering that anyone could argue against it.Originally Posted by JamesWales
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Shock horror that the trade union want a deal to try and reduce the huge downward spiral in their real terms living conditions. Its staggering that anyone could argue against it.
JW did last night. He even tried suggesting that the lowest paid workers are much better off than a decade ago.....
Well someone said no one was better off, to which I proved that the minimum wage rises in the last decade have gone up twice as fast as inflation.
If only you lot could eliminate economic facts and anyone with different opinions, then finally you would be happy!
It only proves that the minimum wage was shit to begin with and has also brought people on minimum wage into paying income tax. What the government gives with one hand, it takes with another. (That's not a Tory dig as it applies to all governments)Well someone said no one was better off, to which I proved that the minimum wage rises in the last decade have gone up twice as fast as inflation.
If only you lot could eliminate economic facts and anyone with different opinions, then finally you would be happy!
It's also proved that the very lowest paid have had rises twice the rate of inflation, which is the opposite of what you said yesterday.
Why is the past relevant at all? Right now, is somebody able to live off minimum wage no matter where they live in the UK.
My guess is that a single male on minimum wage living in my area would be completely ****ed.
Is that good? Is it worth performing mental and statistical gymnastics every night on a Cardiff message board to stick up for that situation?
It's relevent because someone on here said all the lowest paid are worse off in the last 10 years in terms of wages v inflation, and that isn't true in terms of the minimum wage. Surely, facts matter?
whilst it is true that the minimum wage has outpaced inflation, and the nil rate band has also increased considerably, the single biggest cost that most people face will be housing. Given house prices rise on average about 10% per annum, we shouldn't crack open the champagne just yet, given many people are finding it more difficult to get on the housing ladder.Well someone said no one was better off, to which I proved that the minimum wage rises in the last decade have gone up twice as fast as inflation.
If only you lot could eliminate economic facts and anyone with different opinions, then finally you would be happy!
True thats the biggest problem for the young, they can still buy a house, but its very difficult and they need a decent wage so it's very hard. House prices should fall this year or next, hopefully that will help a few more to be able to buy their own homes.
I think Landlords buying power has pushed prices beyond the average youngster, there needs to be some carrot or threat of a stick to persaude landlords to reduce portfolios so youngsters can buy rather rent which is dead money.
Then he is fukking clueless. Has he heard about food banks and the explosion in their numbers in the past 12 years?
Here you go.
Well, sorry to bring some facts to the table, but the minimum wage was £6.19 in 2012. It's £9.50 now. Thats an increase of 53%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation..._Wage_Act_1998
We can add a little from the last few months, but Inflation from 2012 to 2021 was 25%.
https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/mone...ion-calculator
No one disputes the global financial crisis, then a pandemic then a war in Europe don't impact on things. They do. It's been fkn tough, but the solution isn't to give everyone 10% more money. You may want to support the union on ideological ground but you know that in your heart it isn't the answer for the country as a whole.
You aren't considering the whole picture there - someone on minimum wage is likely to also have benefits that they need in order to be able to live (because we effectively subsidise businesses to pay workers poorly, basically a tax break for the business owners). So you'd need to look at both aspects of someones salary.
Additionally the effective inflation rate for someone on minimum wage is not the same as the inflation rate that the bank of england calculates. It has been shown that they face far higher inflation, as the things that have risen the most (energy, food etc) take up a far higher proportion of their overall spend.
Big deal. These pay rises are peanuts. That doesn’t make people on a minimum wage much better off at all. They remain on very basic wages and in many cases still reliant on food banks.
Would you be comfortably off working for £9:50 an hour? Do you think anyone can live comfortably off that? How can they afford a mortgage on these kind of figures?
Aye, but they've increased!
Pearcey, you should know that once James Wales has spoken on a subject, that’s an end to a discussion because his opinions are actually facts - in his head anyway. He commanded me to start a thread on Wednesday
Interesting take TOBW, and a little ironic given the topic being discussed there, which was a fact vs an opinion.Pearcey, you should know that once James Wales has spoken on a subject, that’s an end to a discussion because his opinions are actually facts - in his head anyway. He commanded me to start a thread on Wednesday
Have a nice day. (Thats not a commandment either, merely a wish)
Work is a ladder, most people have to start at the bottom, if it's £9.50 per hour or £10.00 you shouldn't matter, you should be thinking it's the bottom step, what can I do to earn more, not facking tories give me a 20% rise, whats happened to ambition?
Didn't think he gave a very good account of himself.
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