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  1. #101

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    The embryo is host to the body. what happens if the embryo dies in the host body (still born) is that then also murder.
    Get a grip people. And in this whole scenario it is women once again that are held accountable!! Not the guy who popped his wad into her.

  2. #102

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyscoular View Post
    Too bad you didn't weigh in earlier with your certainty. This is the very issue that has been debated in the United States since 1973. You could have saved Americans a lot of trouble. It would help, though, if you could further clarify when the 'foetus' does become a 'baby.' Is it the moment of birth, as contrasted with one second or one minute earlier? Is it the point of "viability?" Is it conception? America has wrestled passionately and sincerely with these profound issues. The Supreme Court has said, essentially, 'We don't know, and will no longer pretend to know. The people can decide for themselves, in their particular states.'
    The people can decide? No, they can't. That's the point. The decision has been taken out of the hands of the women, who will now carry and bear children whether they want to or not. Rape, incest, life-threatening circumstances are no longer factor.

  3. #103

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    Also all this from a country with no universal healthcare. So a young woman who maybe can't afford medical insurance would now be forced into giving birth, which on average costs between $5000 and $11000 out there if it's a vaginal pregnancy with no complications. If it's a C Section then make it between $7500 and $14000. God help you if the baby's premature, or needs aftercare.

    So now this young mother now has a baby, thousands upon thousands of dollar of debt and all the cost involved with raising a child ahead of her. What sort of life is that kid going to have? And all because some dinosaurs who pretend they give a shit about life think they have the right to tell women what to do with their bodies. It's disgusting.
    This. Rich white girls will continue to have safe abortions no matter what state they live in. Brett Kavanagh has two teenage daughters. You think if they end up at some frat party and meet Brett Kavanagh 2.0 they'll carry a baby to term before they're 20. No ****ing way.

  4. #104

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    That's where the politics come into it, people have different views.

    The constitution gives the individual states certain powers over the federal government to stop overreach, hence the reason why I asked if this matter can be resolved without the involvements of politics.
    Of course it can't be resolved without the involvement of politics.
    Politics (from Greek: Πολιτικά, politiká, 'affairs of the cities') is the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations among individuals,

  5. #105

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    On reading up on this decision it appears its not totally band In the USA, they have returned the decision back to the states / people, for example some states will allow it up to 15 weeks others won't? Some see view 22 weeks as too much ,as do some European countries.. ??

    If those states are so strongly opposed they could vote out those politicians who are against abortion ..

    It's of Interest up to 2018 it was illegal in Eire.

    France its up to 12 weeks as is most Europe

    UK is 24 weeks .

    Japan is illegal with some allowance..

    This is intresting, list seems USA is not alone

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ion-is-illegal

  6. #106

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    On reading up on this decision it appears its not totally band In the USA, they have returned the decision back to the states / people, for example some states will allow it up to 15 weeks others won't? Some see view 22 weeks as too much ,as do some European countries.. ??

    If those states are so strongly opposed they could vote out those politicians who are against abortion ..

    It's of Interest up to 2018 it was illegal in Eire.

    France its up to 12 weeks as is most Europe

    UK is 24 weeks .

    Japan is illegal with some allowance..

    This is intresting, list seems USA is not alone

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ion-is-illegal
    Yeah but you are on record saying the teenagers abused by Epstein for the entertainment of Prince Andrew and others knew what they were getting into. Given the Governor of Florida in the nearest state is shutting Abortion doors if girls like the one who successfully sued a member of our Royal Family what would you say was her best next step if she got impregnated by some enriched scumbag on Paedo Island?

  7. #107

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    Quote Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird View Post
    Ironically the most vocal anti abortions voices are ultra religious evangelicals who seem to ignore the Bible, Numbers 5, which advocates for forced miscarriages (to be done by priests using poisonous water) if a woman becomes pregnant by another man other than her husband.

    Also, twitter is exploding of women speaking out naming ardent pro life republican senators (or their sons) who paid for them, even forced them to have an abortion.

    Ivanka Trumps college friends are also calling her out asking why she's so quiet about abortions when she wasn't so quiet when they took her to have an abortion in college.

    The hypocrisy is astounding

    It's funny how conservative evangelical males are so pro life until they get the wrong woman pregnant
    So much is messed up with this rant.
    To start with, I've met thousands of evangelical Christians (no other type of Christian exists if you actually read Christ's Words in Matthew 28:19), and NONE of them have been religious, let alone ultra religious!?

    As for the rest, you've discovered that human beings are hypocrites; no press conference required

  8. #108

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    Christians are idiots

    Women who have been raped , have been told that their child is going to be born with awful , life changing conditions will now have to carry these children

    There was an idiot Christian, wearing a cross outside a rally saying ......this is not about religion .....er you what ? .......its about women's rights .....OK feck off now please ......you don't see all the work pro lifers do behind the scenes for women ......like threatening them outside abortion clinics ?

    Fundamental pro life Christians......please go and stand in the middle of the road , I will drive the bus

    Join hands and pray , you are going to need it

  9. #109

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardM View Post
    Of course it can't be resolved without the involvement of politics.
    Politics (from Greek: Πολιτικά, politiká, 'affairs of the cities') is the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations among individuals,
    The Supreme Court ruling was based on the United States constitution as a matter of law, while all the noise is coming from political commentators, and it seems as though people can't separate these two things.

  10. #110

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    So much is messed up with this rant.
    To start with, I've met thousands of evangelical Christians (no other type of Christian exists if you actually read Christ's Words in Matthew 28:19), and NONE of them have been religious, let alone ultra religious!?

    As for the rest, you've discovered that human beings are hypocrites; no press conference required

    There is a very vocal minority of typically white evangelical conservative Christians in America who are influential, bigoted, loud, toxic and nasty whom are setting the rules for the rest of the US. I would say they are 'religious' zealots and extremists. Other Christians do exist.. but they don't get the level of influence of the extremists in the US.

  11. #111

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    So going back to my point earlier in the thread. All those on here that are pro abortion. Would you also like to see Euthanasia become legal in the UK ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    So going back to my point earlier in the thread. All those on here that are pro abortion. Would you also like to see Euthanasia become legal in the UK ?
    In the circumstances you described in your earlier post - yes.

    There have to be safeguards - but the Swiss law seems to me to combine protection from exploitation with dignity and the ability of a person in pain with a terminal illness to make their own decision to end it.

  13. #113

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    In the circumstances you described in your earlier post - yes.

    There have to be safeguards - but the Swiss law seems to me to combine protection from exploitation with dignity and the ability of a person in pain with a terminal illness to make their own decision to end it.
    Agree with that.

  14. #114

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    In the circumstances you described in your earlier post - yes.

    There have to be safeguards - but the Swiss law seems to me to combine protection from exploitation with dignity and the ability of a person in pain with a terminal illness to make their own decision to end it.
    That’s exactly how i see it 👍

  15. #115

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    On reading up on this decision it appears its not totally band In the USA, they have returned the decision back to the states / people, for example some states will allow it up to 15 weeks others won't? Some see view 22 weeks as too much ,as do some European countries.. ??

    If those states are so strongly opposed they could vote out those politicians who are against abortion ..

    It's of Interest up to 2018 it was illegal in Eire.

    France its up to 12 weeks as is most Europe

    UK is 24 weeks .

    Japan is illegal with some allowance..

    This is intresting, list seems USA is not alone

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ion-is-illegal
    If the UK gave this power to the regions and the WAG decided to make it a criminal offence to have an abortion, would you support that?

  16. #116

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    Interesting to see this republican congresswoman on stage with Trump say that it's a victory for white life.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ite-life-trump

  17. #117

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Christians are idiots

    Women who have been raped , have been told that their child is going to be born with awful , life changing conditions will now have to carry these children

    There was an idiot Christian, wearing a cross outside a rally saying ......this is not about religion .....er you what ? .......its about women's rights .....OK feck off now please ......you don't see all the work pro lifers do behind the scenes for women ......like threatening them outside abortion clinics ?

    Fundamental pro life Christians......please go and stand in the middle of the road , I will drive the bus

    Join hands and pray , you are going to need it
    All Christians are idiots? Really? Or do you mean the white ones in US and in the UK cabinet? Are the CCFC supporting ones ok? You can’t mean the black gospel types surely, or Demond Tutu or that nice man in Harry and Megan’s wedding?

  18. #118

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    Pro life, until you're born, then you're on your own kid.

    What an awful uncaring society America is.

  19. #119

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doucas View Post
    Pro life, until you're born, then you're on your own kid.
    George Carlin hit the nail on the head on more than a few things. Sad that he's not around to sound off a few more wake-up calls.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHRaUUlD00w

  20. #120

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    It’s as if they want to regress all the way back to 1776.
    Please no, we don't want them back.

  21. #121

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardM View Post
    That the people of the US may be good, but they still elect idiots.
    Trump did not win the popular vote in either election. You need to look up gerrymandering, the GQP take it to new previously uncharted levels.

  22. #122

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I bet some states would like to breakaway from others , in particular Texas its somewhere around the 10th largest economy in the world by GDP
    you think Texas is bigger than California or New York? If Texas seceded, then the US political landscape would change overnight.

  23. #123

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    This has been a long time in the making and will take a long time to undo - How the Christian right took over the judiciary and changed America | Abortion | The Guardian

    The Christian right sound no better than the Taliban.

  24. #124

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    Quote Originally Posted by PontBlue View Post
    This has been a long time in the making and will take a long time to undo - How the Christian right took over the judiciary and changed America | Abortion | The Guardian

    The Christian right sound no better than the Taliban.
    Y'allquaeda

  25. #125

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blue View Post
    All Christians are idiots? Really? Or do you mean the white ones in US and in the UK cabinet? Are the CCFC supporting ones ok? You can’t mean the black gospel types surely, or Demond Tutu or that nice man in Harry and Megan’s wedding?
    Misguided would have been kinder

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