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Thread: George Carlin religion

  1. #221

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Would you rather him be angry, hateful and vengeful, or using his faith in a positive way? I don't believe in god, but you have no place in insulting that man for the way he interprets life.
    I remember an old lady in Italy who, after being saved from under a collapsed building, thanked God for her survival. Unfortunately, others perished in that incident.

  2. #222

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by bigjoe View Post
    But nobody can provide proof either that there is no God.
    Well I don't know if you are a Christian or not but that's the typical response

    Prove to me that this thing that you want having the final say over everything and rules your life actually exists ?

    Christian .......I dont have to or you prove to me that he doesn't! It's a joke really and why debating the existence of God is a waste of time . More ducking and diving than a boxer

  3. #223

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    He said that believing in God is a "Mental Illness"
    Well it's certainly delusional it could be argued

  4. #224

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    I remember an old lady in Italy who, after being saved from under a collapsed building, thanked God for her survival. Unfortunately, others perished in that incident.
    They didn't pray enough ?

  5. #225

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    He says quite clearly to welcome and love foreigners, something which you are quite clearly defying Him about
    You're not an expert in scripture so aim your sights a touch lower, nobody is convinced by this little act.

    There's no mention in the Bible of mass immigration to every European descent nation on Earth, no mention of cheap labour under cutting natives or the destruction of cultures to the benefit of big business.
    I'm a bit sympathetic to Nobel Peace Prize winner The Dalai Lama when he says "Receive them, help them, educate them... but ultimately they should develop their own country,"

    "I think Europe belongs to the Europeans,"
    "they ultimately should rebuild their own country"

    You're just a little shit anyway i don't know why i even bother with you. As yet, i doubt you're too affected by all the problems that come with mass immigration. It's all theory for you in your Middle Class bubble, policing the message board for "wrong think"

  6. #226

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Well it's certainly delusional it could be argued
    It's irrational to suggest something can be created from nothing. It's anti science. Atheism is the least rational stance to take. Small brain thinking.

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    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    He is an eternal spirit where the word eternal means always will exist and always has. This is totally outside out own experience of time, matter and space; so it's perflectly understandable that we would ask questions* that would relate to our dimension when we have no experience of God's natural realm.

    * Like who created his dimension, because He created our temporary dimension.

    * Some scientists believe that our present reality is a computer program, not unlike the holodeck seen on Star Trek.
    So who made him? Or did he just growed? Or perhaps there was a big BANG and there he was!

  8. #228

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    I remember an old lady in Italy who, after being saved from under a collapsed building, thanked God for her survival. Unfortunately, others perished in that incident.
    How we deal with trauma, loss, grief, emotional pain are complex. I actually find the thought of chaotic theory and a series of random but mathematically patterned quantum events (and the head-f*ck that they bring) really comforting. When we give up on being in control of anything (including our own brains) it can be philosophically liberating. You see, what I think the old lady in Italy was describing and attributing to her survival, was in fact chaos. She survived (everything is connected but uncontrollable) while others perished, seems perfectly logical to me and is not pre-ordained (or down to a god).

    The thing I'm doing here now though (and I didn't start off this post with this in mind) is arguing that chaos = god = chaos. I'm not talking about conscience (which is different and touches upon sentience - including AI) being represented by a bearded man surrounded by angels in the same way that just because I have a beard means I qualify as a god! Though I think I'd make a pretty good god and have learned a lot from Sean Connery's mistakes in A Man Who Would Be King!

    The Italian lady could quite as easily thanked Chaos for her survival.

  9. #229

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lither_1927 View Post
    Oooo Ark at Rambo yer... lolz

    You'll not do as you want but as God intends
    Are you a born-again Christian?

  10. #230

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Are you a born-again Christian?
    Nah, I was raised in a Catholic household.

  11. #231

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    I remember an old lady in Italy who, after being saved from under a collapsed building, thanked God for her survival. Unfortunately, others perished in that incident.
    If she believes that it was gods will to let her live and call time on the poor souls who died, then that's her logic, her solace. I don't think that it's anymore complicated than that in my opinion.

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    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lither_1927 View Post
    I can prove that our creator exists using science. Within the laws of science you can NOT create something from nothing. Ergo, we were created from God.
    You're still talking shite. We weren't made from nothing. It's called evolution. Doh!!

  13. #233

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lither_1927 View Post
    Nah, I was raised in a Catholic household.
    Me too but I realised by the age of 13 I was being taken for a mug

  14. #234

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    If she believes that it was gods will to let her live and call time on the poor souls who died, then that's her logic, her solace. I don't think that it's anymore complicated than that in my opinion.
    But in America women are going to be prevented from aborting babies to be born from abuse because of this solace and its influence

    And I think it's got to be challenged

  15. #235

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lither_1927 View Post
    It's irrational to suggest something can be created from nothing. It's anti science. Atheism is the least rational stance to take. Small brain thinking.
    Small brain thinking (your words) could in fact be the more humble and logical. Do you think that maybe your ego is getting in the way which is why you're barbed comments to us lesser mortals (sh*t, I'm doing it now) is, in fact, your sub-conscious insecurity? Note: I'm not accusing you of being insecure nor am I psychiatrically evaluating you or using ad hominem attack. It's just a question.

  16. #236

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
    How we deal with trauma, loss, grief, emotional pain are complex. I actually find the thought of chaotic theory and a series of random but mathematically patterned quantum events (and the head-f*ck that they bring) really comforting. When we give up on being in control of anything (including our own brains) it can be philosophically liberating. You see, what I think the old lady in Italy was describing and attributing to her survival, was in fact chaos. She survived (everything is connected but uncontrollable) while others perished, seems perfectly logical to me and is not pre-ordained (or down to a god).

    The thing I'm doing here now though (and I didn't start off this post with this in mind) is arguing that chaos = god = chaos. I'm not talking about conscience (which is different and touches upon sentience - including AI) being represented by a bearded man surrounded by angels in the same way that just because I have a beard means I qualify as a god! Though I think I'd make a pretty good god and have learned a lot from Sean Connery's mistakes in A Man Who Would Be King!

    The Italian lady could quite as easily thanked Chaos for her survival.
    Chaos is definitely not God, unless you worship the anti christ. From mathematics to Art, order is seen as beautiful and heart warming.
    The most profound words ever written were in The Gospel of John 1:1
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

    Words are God, Words require order to work. God is order. If chaos was God, we'd all be speaking random garbled nonesense to each other with no order. We'd barely be able to comunicate

  17. #237

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    If she believes that it was gods will to let her live and call time on the poor souls who died, then that's her logic, her solace. I don't think that it's anymore complicated than that in my opinion.
    In fairness, you've just summed it up beautifully using less time and energy than one of my tomes! It's no wonder I'm knackered all the time!

  18. #238

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lither_1927 View Post
    Chaos is definitely not God, unless you worship the anti christ. From mathematics to Art, order is seen as beautiful and heart warming.
    The most profound words ever written were in The Gospel of John 1:1
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

    Words are God, Words require order to work. God is order. If chaos was God, we'd all be speaking random garbled nonesense to each other with no order.
    There maybe still time to edit that last bit!

  19. #239

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lither_1927 View Post
    Nah, I was raised in a Catholic household.
    Just the line of everything happens as God intends tends to be a born-again thing. My last headteacher in comp was a born-again Christian who claimed the massacre of the schoolkids in Dunblane was an act of God. That's what he told the entire school. Fruitloop.

    Anyway, my tuppence worth. I've been a church organist most of my life but never took religion that seriously until the last few years and even now it's not a big part of my life. I think there is some ultimate deity out there. I like the Christian message of love to everyone.

    Surely the message should be that it doesn't matter what people believe or do, we should all respect each other? I admit I struggle with that when it comes to far right political views but a person is a person whether they are straight, gay or not bothered; religious or not bothered and so on. Live and let live.

  20. #240

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
    There maybe still time to edit that last bit!
    Can't remember seeing God on The Word in the 90s.

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