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  1. #1

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I despair at these type of people

    Absolutely brain washed

    If a poorly kid is saved by the wisdom of the doctors ......God gave that wisdom

    If the kid passes away, God wanted them for heaven

    It's absolutely staggering

    There really is no point in engaging with these people
    You've never actually engaged with anyone seriously - mission accomplished

  2. #2

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    You've never actually engaged with anyone seriously - mission accomplished
    I can't engage with you

    You have been asked countless times to show physical proof of God but you can't

    It's a simple question

    God is omnipresent and omnipotent

    Bring him to us non believers

    Show us evidence of his existence

    You cannot

  3. #3

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Would you rather him be angry, hateful and vengeful, or using his faith in a positive way? I don't believe in god, but you have no place in insulting that man for the way he interprets life.
    I don't think he has

    I think people who believe in God to the point that they think everything is down to him are deluded and have been brainwashed

  4. #4

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I don't think he has

    I think people who believe in God to the point that they think everything is down to him are deluded and have been brainwashed
    He said that believing in God is a "Mental Illness"

  5. #5

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigjoe View Post
    But nobody can provide proof either that there is no God.
    Well I don't know if you are a Christian or not but that's the typical response

    Prove to me that this thing that you want having the final say over everything and rules your life actually exists ?

    Christian .......I dont have to or you prove to me that he doesn't! It's a joke really and why debating the existence of God is a waste of time . More ducking and diving than a boxer

  6. #6

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    ... It's a joke really and why debating the existence of God is a waste of time .
    Couldn't agree more. Though I'd happily chip in for either side for a couple of pints.

  7. #7

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    He said that believing in God is a "Mental Illness"
    Well it's certainly delusional it could be argued

  8. #8

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    I remember an old lady in Italy who, after being saved from under a collapsed building, thanked God for her survival. Unfortunately, others perished in that incident.
    They didn't pray enough ?

  9. #9

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    He says quite clearly to welcome and love foreigners, something which you are quite clearly defying Him about
    You're not an expert in scripture so aim your sights a touch lower, nobody is convinced by this little act.

    There's no mention in the Bible of mass immigration to every European descent nation on Earth, no mention of cheap labour under cutting natives or the destruction of cultures to the benefit of big business.
    I'm a bit sympathetic to Nobel Peace Prize winner The Dalai Lama when he says "Receive them, help them, educate them... but ultimately they should develop their own country,"

    "I think Europe belongs to the Europeans,"
    "they ultimately should rebuild their own country"

    You're just a little shit anyway i don't know why i even bother with you. As yet, i doubt you're too affected by all the problems that come with mass immigration. It's all theory for you in your Middle Class bubble, policing the message board for "wrong think"

  10. #10

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lither_1927 View Post
    You're not an expert in scripture so aim your sights a touch lower, nobody is convinced by this little act.

    There's no mention in the Bible of mass immigration to every European descent nation on Earth, no mention of cheap labour under cutting natives or the destruction of cultures to the benefit of big business.
    I'm a bit sympathetic to Nobel Peace Prize winner The Dalai Lama when he says "Receive them, help them, educate them... but ultimately they should develop their own country,"

    "I think Europe belongs to the Europeans,"
    "they ultimately should rebuild their own country"

    You're just a little shit anyway i don't know why i even bother with you. As yet, i doubt you're too affected by all the problems that come with mass immigration. It's all theory for you in your Middle Class bubble, policing the message board for "wrong think"
    Jesus Christ you're touchy. For the record I live in one of the most ethnically diverse parts of Cardiff, my ethnicity is probably a minority in my area, or if it's not then it's close. I'm just pointing out that your attitude towards foreigners is completely at odds with what is instructed in the Christian Bible, which apparently you follow. Why you're quoting probably the most famous Buddhist in the world to back your argument is, although hilarious, very confusing.

    If you can't handle people pointing out when you're being hypocritical without getting verbally abusive then the only thing I suggest is that you stay away from contentious topics or pray for a less sensitive personality

  11. #11

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Well it's certainly delusional it could be argued
    It's irrational to suggest something can be created from nothing. It's anti science. Atheism is the least rational stance to take. Small brain thinking.

  12. #12

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lither_1927 View Post
    It's irrational to suggest something can be created from nothing. It's anti science. Atheism is the least rational stance to take. Small brain thinking.
    Small brain thinking (your words) could in fact be the more humble and logical. Do you think that maybe your ego is getting in the way which is why you're barbed comments to us lesser mortals (sh*t, I'm doing it now) is, in fact, your sub-conscious insecurity? Note: I'm not accusing you of being insecure nor am I psychiatrically evaluating you or using ad hominem attack. It's just a question.

  13. #13

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Are you a born-again Christian?
    Nah, I was raised in a Catholic household.

  14. #14

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lither_1927 View Post
    Nah, I was raised in a Catholic household.
    Just the line of everything happens as God intends tends to be a born-again thing. My last headteacher in comp was a born-again Christian who claimed the massacre of the schoolkids in Dunblane was an act of God. That's what he told the entire school. Fruitloop.

    Anyway, my tuppence worth. I've been a church organist most of my life but never took religion that seriously until the last few years and even now it's not a big part of my life. I think there is some ultimate deity out there. I like the Christian message of love to everyone.

    Surely the message should be that it doesn't matter what people believe or do, we should all respect each other? I admit I struggle with that when it comes to far right political views but a person is a person whether they are straight, gay or not bothered; religious or not bothered and so on. Live and let live.

  15. #15

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lither_1927 View Post
    Nah, I was raised in a Catholic household.
    Me too but I realised by the age of 13 I was being taken for a mug

  16. #16

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    If she believes that it was gods will to let her live and call time on the poor souls who died, then that's her logic, her solace. I don't think that it's anymore complicated than that in my opinion.
    But in America women are going to be prevented from aborting babies to be born from abuse because of this solace and its influence

    And I think it's got to be challenged

  17. #17

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
    How we deal with trauma, loss, grief, emotional pain are complex. I actually find the thought of chaotic theory and a series of random but mathematically patterned quantum events (and the head-f*ck that they bring) really comforting. When we give up on being in control of anything (including our own brains) it can be philosophically liberating. You see, what I think the old lady in Italy was describing and attributing to her survival, was in fact chaos. She survived (everything is connected but uncontrollable) while others perished, seems perfectly logical to me and is not pre-ordained (or down to a god).

    The thing I'm doing here now though (and I didn't start off this post with this in mind) is arguing that chaos = god = chaos. I'm not talking about conscience (which is different and touches upon sentience - including AI) being represented by a bearded man surrounded by angels in the same way that just because I have a beard means I qualify as a god! Though I think I'd make a pretty good god and have learned a lot from Sean Connery's mistakes in A Man Who Would Be King!

    The Italian lady could quite as easily thanked Chaos for her survival.
    Chaos is definitely not God, unless you worship the anti christ. From mathematics to Art, order is seen as beautiful and heart warming.
    The most profound words ever written were in The Gospel of John 1:1
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

    Words are God, Words require order to work. God is order. If chaos was God, we'd all be speaking random garbled nonesense to each other with no order. We'd barely be able to comunicate

  18. #18

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lither_1927 View Post
    Chaos is definitely not God, unless you worship the anti christ. From mathematics to Art, order is seen as beautiful and heart warming.
    The most profound words ever written were in The Gospel of John 1:1
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

    Words are God, Words require order to work. God is order. If chaos was God, we'd all be speaking random garbled nonesense to each other with no order.
    There maybe still time to edit that last bit!

  19. #19

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
    There maybe still time to edit that last bit!
    Can't remember seeing God on The Word in the 90s.

  20. #20

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Can't remember seeing God on The Word in the 90s.
    When telly was proper telly and VHS remotes were wired.

  21. #21

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lither_1927 View Post
    Chaos is definitely not God, unless you worship the anti christ. From mathematics to Art, order is seen as beautiful and heart warming.
    The most profound words ever written were in The Gospel of John 1:1
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

    Words are God, Words require order to work. God is order. If chaos was God, we'd all be speaking random garbled nonesense to each other with no order. We'd barely be able to comunicate
    OK, I I'm done with you now. I just can't live in your medieval head. Try reading Sophie's World by Jostein Gaarder.

  22. #22

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    You're still talking shite. We weren't made from nothing. It's called evolution. Doh!!
    Don't start me on evolution, another irrational system.
    If you believe in evolution, explain how a bumble bee will continually grow a wing that had no practical use until 75% complete.
    Why, under natural selection would a bee keep selecting for an adaptation that has no use. A 1% Bee wing has no use so why keep selecting for it over generations?

  23. #23

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lither_1927 View Post
    Don't start me on evolution, another irrational system.
    If you believe in evolution, explain how a bumble bee will continually grow a wing that had no practical use until 75% complete.
    Why, under natural selection would a bee keep selecting for an adaptation that has no use. A 1% Bee wing has no use so why keep selecting for it over generations?
    Evolution doesn’t have foresight. Earlier wings could have been used for rowing and skimming across the surface of water. Some insects still use wings primarily for this purpose today. Natural selection could then result in improved propulsion efficiency and techniques over time to a stage where some insects evolved to spontaneously hop off the surface of water - and these inherited advantageous traits resulted in descendants eventually adapting further to winged-based flight. So wings used for other purposes by ancestors eventually adapted for flight through opportunity and evolutionary advantage, not with flight in mind from the outset.

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    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lither_1927 View Post
    Don't start me on evolution, another irrational system.
    If you believe in evolution, explain how a bumble bee will continually grow a wing that had no practical use until 75% complete.
    Why, under natural selection would a bee keep selecting for an adaptation that has no use. A 1% Bee wing has no use so why keep selecting for it over generations?
    you talk shite and you proved it.
    One of the tenets of religion is that "God" gave man free will and that is the argument all zealots use when they are asked why god allows men to do horrendous things.
    But in post 156 of this thread when it suits your ridiculous stupid argument you clearly state that another posted didn't do "what he liked" but did " what god intends him to do!!" A complete denial of the principle of free will.

    You can't have it both ways. Oh but I forgot you're a so called christian, you can have it which ever way suits your argument today and then change it for tomorrows argument.
    You can do that because you have the free will to choose,
    oh hang on no... you do it because that's what god intends.. oh hang on......

    Stop talking shite, you make yourself look even more stupid than you are!

  25. #25

    Re: George Carlin religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lither_1927 View Post
    Chaos is definitely not God, unless you worship the anti christ. From mathematics to Art, order is seen as beautiful and heart warming.
    The most profound words ever written were in The Gospel of John 1:1
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

    Words are God, Words require order to work. God is order. If chaos was God, we'd all be speaking random garbled nonesense to each other with no order. We'd barely be able to comunicate
    You think the words written by .....John? .....in his gospel ......were the most profound words ever written ?

    That's an opinion , it's not a fact

    And in the same way we know that if you heat up water it will boil .....a fact proven by science ........you cannot , apart from playing verbal tennis as you and other Christians do , give any proof that there is a god

    Nothing at all

    A shin bone , photos , fingerprints , recordings of him speaking , film footage of him performing miracles

    Nothing

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