George Carlin religion

[Lither_1927]

You think the words written by .....John? .....in his gospel ......were the most profound words ever written ?

That's an opinion , it's not a fact

And in the same way we know that if you heat up water it will boil .....a fact proven by science ........you cannot , apart from playing verbal tennis as you and other Christians do , give any proof that there is a god

Nothing at all

A shin bone , photos , fingerprints , recordings of him speaking , film footage of him performing miracles

Nothing

I'm using logic and reason to prove God (our creator)exists. If you object to my logic explain how you create something(our universe) from nothing...in science that is not possible.

What to you are the most profound words ever written?

[Lither_1927]

I think you are totally missing the point.

Could you be anymore condescending?
No explanation, just a metaphorical pat on the head and a stern "No boy"
Socially clumsy at best.

[Lither_1927]

OK, I I'm done with you now. I just can't live in your medieval head. Try reading Sophie's World by Jostein Gaarder.

Try conveying a point instead of recommending books you probably don't understand yourself.
If God is chaos, why are you recommending that i read a book which is an orderly set of words, the complete opposite of chaos...

[bigjoe]

One man's immigration is another's Exodus I suppose.

Very good

[Lither_1927]

Evolution doesn’t have foresight. Earlier wings could have been used for rowing and skimming across the surface of water. Some insects still use wings primarily for this purpose today. Natural selection could then result in improved propulsion efficiency and techniques over time to a stage where some insects evolved to spontaneously hop off the surface of water - and these inherited advantageous traits resulted in descendants eventually adapting further to winged-based flight. So wings used for other purposes by ancestors eventually adapted for flight through opportunity and evolutionary advantage, not with flight in mind from the outset.

Hello Baloo. I don't think Bee's wings were used for rowing or skimming across water. If they were, they'd still be able to do it today. They'd also be placed lower on the body enabling actual contact with water. And the wing material would be more like a flipper.
Also, wouldn't it be a huge co incidence that an appendage supposedly perfectly adapted for "paddling" in water, is also perfect for flight.
These are harsh Darwinian selective pressures, the idea that a bee's wing was continually selected for because it could "paddle a bit" is a bit flimsy.

From what i gather, you accept that God could exist.
With that in mind he could be responsible for creating all human life.
When Quantum physicists suggest that we are living in a hologram, are part of parallel universes or that our whole existence is a complex mathematical equation being played out in a pre ordained fashion(God). Anything is possible, what ever the truth it will be absolutely mind blowing. I just wish people would open their minds a bit

[Baloo]

Hello Baloo. I don't think Bee's wings were used for rowing or skimming across water. If they were, they'd still be able to do it today. They'd also be placed lower on the body enabling actual contact with water. And the wing material would be more like a flipper.
Also, wouldn't it be a huge co incidence that an appendage supposedly perfectly adapted for "paddling" in water, is also perfect for flight.
These are harsh Darwinian selective pressures, the idea that a bee's wing was continually selected for because it could "paddle a bit" is a bit flimsy.

From what i gather, you accept that God could exist.
With that in mind he could be responsible for creating all human life.
When Quantum physicists suggest that we are living in a hologram, are part of parallel universes or that our whole existence is a complex mathematical equation being played out in a pre ordained fashion(God). Anything is possible, what ever the truth it will be absolutely mind blowing. I just wish people would open their minds a bit

I think you’ve somewhat missed the point with evolutionary adaptation, but fine I don’t think I can state it any more clearly.

I only stated god could exist but there’s no evidence. I’m afraid this does not imply it’s a special case that raises the possibility in my mind above anything else I would also say I don’t believe exists. It’s merely a way of describing how I would approach deciding.

[cyril evans awaydays]

I think you’ve somewhat missed the point with evolutionary adaptation, but fine I don’t think I can state it any more clearly.

I only stated god could exist but there’s no evidence. I’m afraid this does not imply it’s a special case that raises the possibility in my mind above anything else I would also say I don’t believe exists. It’s merely a way of describing how I would approach deciding.

Talking of evolutionary adaptation I often wonder what that anti-immigration, proudly religious, pseudo-intellectual, booringly argumentative and deeply patronising RonnieBird evolved into since his user name no longer posts on this Board.

[jon1959]

Talking of evolutionary adaptation I often wonder what that anti-immigration, proudly religious, pseudo-intellectual, booringly argumentative and deeply patronising RonnieBird evolved into since his user name no longer posts on this Board.

Interesting thought. But do you think Ronnie would have evolved from hard-core UKIP into full blown KKK?

[cyril evans awaydays]

Interesting thought. But do you think Ronnie would have evolved from hard-core UKIP into full blown KKK?

Didn't you take up the cudgels to dull the echo chamber that Ronnie and WB ran off to when the ridicule got too much? I don't know what happened to it but I guess boredom talking bollocks to people talking bollocks sets in so they have collectively decided they need a new challenge!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I'm using logic and reason to prove God (our creator)exists. If you object to my logic explain how you create something(our universe) from nothing...in science that is not possible.

What to you are the most profound words ever written?

Martin Luther King

[Citizen's Nephew]

Martin Luther King

When someone starts saying they are using logic disguised as opinion I think (therefore) they (note not gender-specific) are a troll Sludge and we're just on a feeding frenzy.

Logic is a science that studies and uses the principles of correct reasoning. Logic is deducing that two truths imply a third truth e.g. logic is the process of coming to the conclusion of who stole an item based on who was in the room at the time. It's not opinion. The whole thing has veered off into some weird anti-immigration rant which I suspect is what's really driving them.

CN aka the antichrist.

[Lither_1927]

When someone starts saying they are using logic disguised as opinion I think (therefore) they (note not gender-specific) are a troll Sludge and we're just on a feeding frenzy.

Logic is a science that studies and uses the principles of correct reasoning. Logic is deducing that two truths imply a third truth e.g. logic is the process of coming to the conclusion of who stole an item based on who was in the room at the time. It's not opinion. The whole thing has veered off into some weird anti-immigration rant which I suspect is what's really driving them.

CN aka the antichrist.

I won't repeat it again but if you can't see my logic and reason concerning the metaphysics of creation you are completely ignorant to the point of being wilfully blind.

SLUDGE'S race obsession is his religion yet lives in a white ethno town. Weird that.

[Citizen's Nephew]

I won't repeat it again but if you can't see my logic and reason concerning the metaphysics of creation you are completely ignorant to the point of being wilfully blind.

SLUDGE'S race obsession is his religion yet lives in a white ethno town. Weird that.

[Lither_1927]

you talk shite and you proved it.
One of the tenets of religion is that "God" gave man free will and that is the argument all zealots use when they are asked why god allows men to do horrendous things.
But in post 156 of this thread when it suits your ridiculous stupid argument you clearly state that another posted didn't do "what he liked" but did " what god intends him to do!!" A complete denial of the principle of free will.

You can't have it both ways. Oh but I forgot you're a so called christian, you can have it which ever way suits your argument today and then change it for tomorrows argument.
You can do that because you have the free will to choose,
oh hang on no... you do it because that's what god intends.. oh hang on......

Stop talking shite, you make yourself look even more stupid than you are!

Hello snaggle. I agree we could have a degree of free will. But How much free will do we have? 50% Zero percent? Is our life completely pre ordained?
Quantum physicists suggest that our existence could be a pre ordaned mathematical equation, that could be interpretated as God's plan could it not?
What do you think?

[rudy gestede]

Hello snaggle. I agree we could have a degree of free will. But How much free will do we have? 50% Zero percent? Is our life completely pre ordained?
Quantum physicists suggest that our existence could be a pre ordaned mathematical equation, that could be interpretated as God's plan could it not?
What do you think?

[Lither_1927]

I think you’ve somewhat missed the point with evolutionary adaptation, but fine I don’t think I can state it any more clearly.

I only stated god could exist but there’s no evidence. I’m afraid this does not imply it’s a special case that raises the possibility in my mind above anything else I would also say I don’t believe exists. It’s merely a way of describing how I would approach deciding.

I think that you've missed the point. Under harsh Darwinian evolutionary pressures the adaptation will be best suited to aid survival. A poorly adapted make shift water paddle(wing) on the top of a bees body
is not the best adaptation.
Plus, you agree that God could exist so sit back and watch the atheists squirm as their belief system comes under scrutiny. Using logic and reason ofcourse.

[Baloo]

I think that you've missed the point. Under harsh Darwinian evolutionary pressures the adaptation will be best suited to aid survival. A poorly adapted make shift water paddle(wing) on the top of a bees body
is not the best adaptation.
Plus, you agree that God could exist so sit back and watch the atheists squirm as their belief system comes under scrutiny. Using logic and reason ofcourse.

Not fairness and balance. This is all getting a bit disingenuous and a waste of time. Have fun.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I won't repeat it again but if you can't see my logic and reason concerning the metaphysics of creation you are completely ignorant to the point of being wilfully blind.

SLUDGE'S race obsession is his religion yet lives in a white ethno town. Weird that.

I have no idea what a white ethno town is

If you are saying it's a town which is predominantly in this case .....white .....then I would say apart from Cardiff and Newport and Barry ......all ports.....almost every population centre in Wales is .....a white ethno town , is it not ?

Do you have to live in say inner city grangetown or Riverside to have an opinion on immigration ?

Where do you live ?

Don't be shy

[Rjk]

I have no idea what a white ethno town is

If you are saying it's a town which is predominantly in this case .....white .....then I would say apart from Cardiff and Newport and Barry ......all ports.....almost every population centre in Wales is .....a white ethno town , is it not ?

Do you have to live in say inner city grangetown or Riverside to have an opinion on immigration ?

Where do you live ?

Don't be shy

Cardiff itself is 84% white.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Don't start me on evolution, another irrational system.
If you believe in evolution, explain how a bumble bee will continually grow a wing that had no practical use until 75% complete.

Mine is only 37.5% complete.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I think that you've missed the point. Under harsh Darwinian evolutionary pressures the adaptation will be best suited to aid survival. A poorly adapted make shift water paddle(wing) on the top of a bees body
is not the best adaptation.
Plus, you agree that God could exist so sit back and watch the atheists squirm as their belief system comes under scrutiny. Using logic and reason ofcourse.

You think that people who don't believe in God squirm and that our belief system is creaking ?

The people I know who are not interested in God, the church and the rest of the party are into music , football , curry , the gym , giving money to the homeless

Basically living a normal life without wearing the I am a Christian badge

It's laughable that you think we squirm when dealing with delusionists like yourself.

I was at a party on Friday night eating great food , dancing with gorgeous women , listening to heavy rock and having great conversation

No mention of God, faith , sin , the bloody Bible, praying

Squirming 🤣

[Lither_1927]

Cardiff itself is 84% white.

84% white and declining all the time. Now do the racial composition of Cowbridge.
The HQ of SLUDGE'S new religion, i suppose his innate religious impulse has to go somewhere. His is the veneration of non whites.

[Rjk]

84% white and declining all the time. Now do the racial composition of Cowbridge.
The HQ of SLUDGE'S new religion, i suppose his innate religious impulse has to go somewhere. His is the veneration of non whites.

interesting you mention an "innate religious impulse" that's basically how Richard Dawkins explains the proliferation of religions throughout all of human history.
we are genetically predisposed to hold beliefs and cultures, especially ones we are exposed to in our youth as it has been a very useful evolutionary tactic - i.e. we don't eat this berry, or the meat of this animal etc.
modern organised religions are basically a side effect of these traits that have been used by people.to.hold.power

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Cardiff itself is 84% white.

God knows how this guy would survive in Birmingham , Bradford or London

He wouldn't get off the train

I have lived in Bradford , it was a great laugh 😃

[Lither_1927]

You think that people who don't believe in God squirm and that our belief system is creaking ?

The people I know who are not interested in God, the church and the rest of the party are into music , football , curry , the gym , giving money to the homeless

Basically living a normal life without wearing the I am a Christian badge

It's laughable that you think we squirm when dealing with delusionists like yourself.

I was at a party on Friday night eating great food , dancing with gorgeous women , listening to heavy rock and having great conversation

No mention of God, faith , sin , the bloody Bible, praying

Squirming 🤣

If you had any shame you'd be squirming at your performance here. The fact you aren't squirming shows you're not even inyelligent enough to know when you're on the ropes. Ignirance is bliss i suppose lol

Martin Luther King is not a set of profound words. It's just a trendy name drop. Once again you have absolutely zero substance when pushed.