George Carlin religion

[bigjoe]

So who created god?

Yes, but that's the go. God, by any name, is.

[Lither_1927]

Thanks for the question about my mental health and for moving the debate to what my lay-preacher friend refers to as the 'pick and mix' fraternity. He is a fundamentalist and and once one concedes that part of a religion is allegory it's a very rocky path. He has left several congregations because they draw the line at allegory in different places and modern-day Archbishops and Popes pick and mix in different places similarly. If part of a religion is conceded as allegory, who is to say what isn't allegory and myth?
However, it's clear that you aren't someone who can debate things in a civilised manner and that you engage in unneccesary ad hominem remarks (such as referring to my mental state) so I won't bother engaging with you. May your God bless you.

What's wrong with pick n mix? As we become more knowledgeable we can decide which is allegorical and which isn't. This doesn't detract from religion.
Autism is a neurological condition and not a question of good/bad mental health. I think i'm being civilised with you but I do think you are on the autistic spectrum which explains certain things. That's not a criticism even though you have taken it as one. I believe that i am on the autistic spectrum and can see certain familiar traits in others.

[Lither_1927]

Humanism assumes you can choose to live a good and meaningful life without having to insert the supernatural, out of fear, conceit, or for a longer life, an afterlife or some other reward.

I don’t like the term atheism for that very reason. I referred to Humanism.

But the super natural is there, whether we like it or not. However our existence is explained, the truth will be absolutely mind blowing and defy current understanding. If humanism doesn't touch on this then it doesn't offer a full alternative.
What does humanism say about inherently bad people?

[Citizen's Nephew]

But the super natural is there, whether we like it or not. However our existence is explained, the truth will be absolutely mind blowing and defy current understanding. If humanism doesn't touch on this then it doesn't offer a full alternative.
What does humanism say about inherently bad people?

That could also be said about Quantum Physics and could, mathematically, just be a series of meaningless, random, quantum events. That doesn't mean we don't feel, laugh, cry, hurt etc. but there may be no meaning whatsoever. I often wonder if the dinosaurs contemplated the same things in their much lengthier (sorry for the grammar) time on earth. I think humans are a tad precious. We're extremely likely to become extinct. I don't think any conscious entity is going to prevent that.

[jon1959]

But the super natural is there, whether we like it or not. However our existence is explained, the truth will be absolutely mind blowing and defy current understanding. If humanism doesn't touch on this then it doesn't offer a full alternative.
What does humanism say about inherently bad people?

No it's not, whether you like it or not.

Humanism doesn't have to compete with organised (and man-made) religions. Why should it?

It doesn't have to compete with faith (to acknowledge Truthpaste's distinctions, and hatred of religion) or go toe-to-toe with the certainties of cult members.

Human beings can give their own meaning to their lives, create their own values and purposes, and face death without terror. We no longer live in the fear and ignorance of past centuries. We should have grown up!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

So you believe that God created the earth for humankind but you're not happy about sharing the bit you happened to be born in with people of a different colour to you? What do you think God's take on that attitude would be then?

I was wondering about that 🤔

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I was wondering about that ��

I should warn you, he does not take kindly to the question

[Lither_1927]

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A recent study finds that people who regularly attend religious services live approximately four years longer than average. Researchers built the study from previous data suggesting that social interaction, volunteer work, and healthy habits can lead to a longer life

A recent survey ......showed that if a load of Christians prayed en masse for someone in hospital it made absolutely no difference at all

People all over the world take part in socialising , healthy habits etc without the need to go to a church

You daft sod

You ****ed up the quote mechanism, i hate that.

I think it's important that the actual subject of prayer must also pray.

Anyway link me to your source of information SLUDGE

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You ****ed up the quote mechanism, i hate that.

I think it's important that the actual subject of prayer must also pray.

Anyway link me to your source of information SLUDGE

Didn't Hitler believe in God ?

The sources of information you have given are American .....they are all fecking religious idiots so you can forget that , you may as well send a survey around a church

Nobel prize winners .....bright people ?

Do you think they are all in church every Sunday?

[Baloo]

But the super natural is there, whether we like it or not. However our existence is explained, the truth will be absolutely mind blowing and defy current understanding. If humanism doesn't touch on this then it doesn't offer a full alternative.
What does humanism say about inherently bad people?

I think Humanists would simply believe our existence is mind blowing and defies our current understanding. However there’s no need to insert comforting but implausible answers because of that.

I think Humanists would also believe people have the capacity to be both good and bad. But a better life is built on positive attributes such as learning, reason, compassion, integrity, kindness etc.

[WJ99mobile]

What I have learnt from this thread is that there’s a particular person with multiple accounts.

[UNDERHILL1927]

I should warn you, he does not take kindly to the question

Ignores it completely in fact, typical religious person response.

[Lither_1927]

No it's not, whether you like it or not.

Humanism doesn't have to compete with organised (and man-made) religions. Why should it?

It doesn't have to compete with faith (to acknowledge Truthpaste's distinctions, and hatred of religion) or go toe-to-toe with the certainties of cult members.

Human beings can give their own meaning to their lives, create their own values and purposes, and face death without terror. We no longer live in the fear and ignorance of past centuries. We should have grown up!

Humanism does have to compete with religion, we need the truth Jon.

The super natural is there. Whatever the truth of our existence is. It's super natural and beyond your capabilities clearly.

Dismissing religion as "man made" is about as fatuous as it gets. Who do you think made man?

No atheist can face death without terror, you are deluding yourself. Death for an atheist is a terrible prospect, it hangs over their subconcious for life.

You don't half talk bollocks with a condescending air Jon. Just like you claiming ancient Brits were dark skinned. There is no evidence for this, which is why cheddar man was debunked as left wing rubbish, yet you still insist on it being true.

[WJ99mobile]

The super natural is there. Whatever the truth of our existence is. It's super natural and beyond your capabilities clearly.

Dismissing religion as "man made" is about as fatuous as it gets. Who do you think made man?

No atheist can face death without terror, you are deluding yourself. Death for an atheist is a terrible prospect, it hangs over their subconcious for life.

You don't half talk bollocks with a condescending air Jon. Just like you claiming ancient Brits were dark skinned. There is no evidence for this, which is why cheddar man was debunked as left wing rubbish, yet you still insist on it being true.

An atheist doesn’t die terrorised about the afterlife though? They’re terrorised that it’s the end

[Lither_1927]

How do you know what happens to an atheist when he dies? Please tell me your experiences. I'd love to know

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

How do you know what happens to an atheist when he dies? Please tell me your experiences. I'd love to know

Surely if God exists he would have told you or one of his millions of fans what happens in the afterlife ?

One of your lot can tell us ?

[Lither_1927]

That could also be said about Quantum Physics and could, mathematically, just be a series of meaningless, random, quantum events. That doesn't mean we don't feel, laugh, cry, hurt etc. but there may be no meaning whatsoever. I often wonder if the dinosaurs contemplated the same things in their much lengthier (sorry for the grammar) time on earth. I think humans are a tad precious. We're extremely likely to become extinct. I don't think any conscious entity is going to prevent that.

My guess is that you would struggle to find a group of atheist quantum physicists.

[bigjoe]

My guess is that you would struggle to find a group of atheist quantum physicists.

Well, we'll never know until we open the box

[Lither_1927]

I was wondering about that 🤔

Mass immigration and globalism represent chaos and the death of age old cultures and peoples. If the devil is chaos then God is order. I always prefer order to chaos.

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Mass immigration and globalism represent chaos and the death of age old cultures and peoples. If the devil is chaos then God is order. I always prefer order to chaos.

“Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt" - EXODUS 22:21

"The same law applies both to the native-born and to the foreigner residing among you.” - EXODUS 12:49

"He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing" - DEUTORONOMY" 10:18

"Do not take advantage of a hired worker who is poor and needy, whether that worker is a fellow Israelite or a foreigner residing in one of your towns". - DEUTORONOMY 24:14

"And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt" - DEUTORONOMY 10:19

"But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ" - PHILIPPIANS 3:20

"In you they have treated father and mother with contempt; in you they have oppressed the foreigner and mistreated the fatherless and the widow." - EZEKIEL 22:7

"Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless, the foreigner or the poor. Do not plot evil against each other." - ZACHARIA 7:9-10

"He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing." - DEUTORONOMY 10:18-19

"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them" - LEVITICUS 19:33-34

[Lither_1927]

I think Humanists would simply believe our existence is mind blowing and defies our current understanding. However there’s no need to insert comforting but implausible answers because of that.

I think Humanists would also believe people have the capacity to be both good and bad. But a better life is built on positive attributes such as learning, reason, compassion, integrity, kindness etc.

Do you believe our existence is "mind blowing and defies our current understanding" if so, would you accept we have a God i.e. our creator?

[jeepster]

Do you believe our existence is "mind blowing and defies our current understanding" if so, would you accept we have a God i.e. our creator?

In a word no, it is all made up.

[Lither_1927]

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Didn't Hitler believe in God ?

The sources of information you have given are American .....they are all fecking religious idiots so you can forget that , you may as well send a survey around a church

Nobel prize winners .....bright people ?

Do you think they are all in church every Sunday?

You're a very bad advert for Atheism.

[Lither_1927]

In a word no, it is all made up.

So, in your considered opinion how did we get here?

[jeepster]

So, in your considered opinion how did we get here?

do you know,what you believe is a load of crap.