subservient bootlickers and their views eh
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subservient bootlickers and their views eh
Originally Posted by Re-Reworked
Maybe it was prompted by that kent of a bloke in Westminster saying he wants to stay power well into the 2030 - w22ker that he isOur idiot will be next
If i was Scottish, i’d rather take a gamble on independence, than be continually governed by the Conservatives.
Can't we just invade them now, isn't that the in thing.
the romans tried and failed...you think a piss poor fat cnut like boris tardo johnson can do better?
Be a disaster when they leave and the SNP after realising their only real aim and policy disintegrate quicker than ukip.
Echo chamber up there, similar to Welsh labour here. All start believing their own BS.
At least in Westminster you have two parties who go at it, call each other out, generally provide balance even if they are both shit.
All about opinions, but in my view the SNP have been a far more effective opposition in Westminster than Labour has (despite being only the biggest of the rest and not having Labour's opportunities).
That applied under Corbyn, and much more so under Starmer.
I wish that wasn't so, as a former Labour member (a card carrying member for most of my adult life).
Know much about the SNP i see.
As soon as they leave they'd just govern - there's no reason for them to be a UKIP
Don't blame them, if I were Scottish after 12 years of declining living standards under the tories and brexit I'd chance my arms at something else as well. If they succeed I expect they'd try and join the EU as soon as possible.
The SNP do dispute the GERS figures, but they show a income / expenditure gaps of 15bn. Percentage of GDP wise, this is far greater than the EU would tolerate for membership. It would also lead to the kind of austerity Scotland has never before seen. Or a massive rise in taxes to combat it, with the corresponding risk that brings.
There are arguments in favour - in terms of energy, Scotland could become an absolute powerhouse with a low population and access to oil, wind, and even some sun. Generally speaking though, it's an incredible risk. I certainly wouldnt take it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-53917226
I’m sure i read somewhere that Scotland are the only country in history, to have voted no when given the chance of independence. Not sure if that’s correct though.
I think Quebec have voted against independence from Canada
I don't really understand some of the hostile stuff toward the SNP in this thread, there's been huge upheaval since the 2014 referendum which has rendered some of the "No" campaign's main arguments obsolete, if they want another referendum let them have it
Do you think that if the leader of the SNP was male they'd get as many ad hominem attacks?
This is a strange situation. A large majority of the population have rePEATEDLY voted in the SNP, who have gone on to make an absolute pigs ear of governing Scotland. Health, Education, transport - it's all a complete shambles, and all running at a huge deficit. It is only the UK Government that is bailing them out. So what happens if they go independent, and EVERYTHING has to come through England to get there? There's enough problems with Northern Ireland, without adding to the mix. But all this banging on the independence drum tends to hide the debacle they have made of managing Scotland. And if we're honest, things are very similar here in Wales.
As much as we like the idea of independence, neither Scotland nor Wales could afford to maintain their current living standards, and people would start to leave. Let's be fair - they already do. Now imagine it much worse. Close to 50% of Welsh jobs are state funded - what happens to those? And who pays for them?
Have you heard of something called the EU?
From what i’ve read, the Scots would only be using the SNP as the force to gain independence. Once they gained it, the SNP would be voted out. Not sure who they’d vote in to pick up the batten though.
On a side note, you’ve made it sound as though Scotland and us should just be called Northern England and Eastern England. 😂
I hope Ms. Sturgeon doesn't make the same mistake as David Cameron did with the Brexit referendum. She needs to set a minimum of two-thirds majority for independence*. A 51:49 result would be a disaster, with the country split down the middle with animosity for years to come.
*She won't of course as the opinion polls show it will be a very close run thing.
For all the infantile name calling in the original post, Sturgeon is probably the most effective and successful politician in the UK. It is certainly ironic that the Leader of the Party North Cardiff Blue seems to hold most dear is her most effective recruitment Sergeant.
On the once in a generation point, there is a legitimate challenge that the Brexit vote of a pro-EU Scotland changed the dynamic. That said, the things that made it fail in the first place have not gone away. I also think the Brexit situation will make it fall on its face. A customs and people border with England, really?
The EU has probably had enough of the UK and would rather get on with its own challenges without opening up something with a fledgling state. My guess is that Moldova and Albania would be quicker to the pass than Scotland.
A pleasure to agree with you Cyril!
I am no fan of the SNP; they talk absolute bollocks about Westminster - their tone towards it is far worse than even UKIPs was toward the EU and they have a remarkable range of powers to fix problems they blame on someone else.
But...she's a fine politician, partly to fool enough people about the reality of the above situation.
That said, I get the arguments for Scotland leaving and some stack up, emotionally if thats your identity etc. I firmly hope they stay though, and I think they will when the reality of campaigning kicks in
Said with a straight face somehow.
Because it is true. Aside from anything else, they have tax raising powers that they don't use, but blame Westminster for austerity.
I cant listen to the lady ..
She us worse than Boris in debt every year ,scandals , poor management of thier government..
What better tactic to adopt than Boris's make headlines elsewhere about crap and ingore domestic issues , now Covid has gone First Minsters are anonymous..
Worse than Johnson? You’re kidding me. Johnson’s corruption and lying is on an industrial scale.
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