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Thread: Welsh Labour vote to increase in Senedd Members from 60 to 96

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    Re: Welsh Labour vote to increase in Senedd Members from 60 to 96

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Jeez, all I wanted to do was ridicule LoMs assertion that Eastern Europeans were fleeing the Eurozone to the UK by highlighting the lands of the zloty and the leu and the next thing I know I'm debating the geographical provenance of the land to the east of the Oder!

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    Re: Welsh Labour vote to increase in Senedd Members from 60 to 96

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    If you want to see a real increase in the countries debt, help elect a new labour government next time around and then you will see what real debt looks like.
    Nice to see this old chestnut re-emerge. It's utter bollocks and has been proven to be nonsense time and again.

    Out of interest, care to say make any comparisons between our national debt in 2010 after a global recession and any time close to the beginning of the Covid pandemic?

  3. #43

    Re: Welsh Labour vote to increase in Senedd Members from 60 to 96

    I think the increase is needed and I support it, the massive increase in powers since 1999 means that it's morally right that there should be more scrutiny and debate about all new legislation, as well as an improvement in decision making (all Governments get things right and wrong like us all).

    On a more recent note the outrageous attacks and rollbacks on Welsh law and democracy by a hypocritical Government 150 miles away who are happy enough to call out other countries attacks on democracy as if they are the shining light of society means that strengthening the Welsh Government is critical for future generations.

  4. #44

    Re: Welsh Labour vote to increase in Senedd Members from 60 to 96

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Nice to see this old chestnut re-emerge. It's utter bollocks and has been proven to be nonsense time and again.

    Out of interest, care to say make any comparisons between our national debt in 2010 after a global recession and any time close to the beginning of the Covid pandemic?
    In 2007 debt/GDP was 34%, and it rose dramatically to its current levels following the financial crash in 2008. It peaked at 81% in 2016 and started to fall, rising rapidly again after the pandemic to its current level of 95%.

    The debt/GDP rose continuously post financial crash, as to try and balance the books at that time would have ruined the economy. You cannot just remove £150bn of public expenditure from the economy to balance the books, it has to be undertaken by growing the economy, improving tax receipts and targeted cuts. Whilst the incumbent government succeeded in the first two (the Tories are not the party of low taxation), it is highly subjective whether they achieved the third aim.

    We should see a faster reduction of debt/GDP this time around, as there was a lot of one off spending during the pandemic.

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  5. #45

    Re: Welsh Labour vote to increase in Senedd Members from 60 to 96

    Quote Originally Posted by DryCleaning View Post
    In 2007 debt/GDP was 34%, and it rose dramatically to its current levels following the financial crash in 2008. It peaked at 81% in 2016 and started to fall, rising rapidly again after the pandemic to its current level of 95%.

    The debt/GDP rose continuously post financial crash, as to try and balance the books at that time would have ruined the economy. You cannot just remove £150bn of public expenditure from the economy to balance the books, it has to be undertaken by growing the economy, improving tax receipts and targeted cuts. Whilst the incumbent government succeeded in the first two (the Tories are not the party of low taxation), it is highly subjective whether they achieved the third aim.
    I would argue that growth during the period was fragile at best. Lots of working class people never had pay rises that matched inflation yet wages continued to soar at the opposite end. Cuts that affected people's livelihoods also stifled growth.

    I have always been of the opinion that the cuts were more to do with ideology as an attack on public services than economics. It's an easy one to win. People see less being done with the taxes they pay so they start to see public services as a waste of money.

    So to recap your point, the incumbent government barely achieved 1, which stifled 2 and they probably felt they failed with 3 as they wanted deeper and more savage cuts, regardless of who it affected.

  6. #46

    Re: Welsh Labour vote to increase in Senedd Members from 60 to 96

    Quote Originally Posted by Wozza16 View Post
    I think the increase is needed and I support it, the massive increase in powers since 1999 means that it's morally right that there should be more scrutiny and debate about all new legislation, as well as an improvement in decision making (all Governments get things right and wrong like us all).

    On a more recent note the outrageous attacks and rollbacks on Welsh law and democracy by a hypocritical Government 150 miles away who are happy enough to call out other countries attacks on democracy as if they are the shining light of society means that strengthening the Welsh Government is critical for future generations.
    The other argument for it is that leaving the EU means more policy decisions are made in the UK - in devolved areas this will mean greater decision making happening at the senedd.

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    Re: Welsh Labour vote to increase in Senedd Members from 60 to 96

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    The other argument for it is that leaving the EU means more policy decisions are made in the UK - in devolved areas this will mean greater decision making happening at the senedd.
    Which repatriated EU powers are covered by the current devolution settlement?

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  9. #49

    Re: Welsh Labour vote to increase in Senedd Members from 60 to 96

    How many of those European parliaments are devolved?

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    Re: Welsh Labour vote to increase in Senedd Members from 60 to 96

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    Why is Germany and France and in debt , inflation rising is it Brexit ?????????

    Eurozone as a whole has a worse wage lag than UK

    Job vacancies in Europe rising

    I could go on ..
    Well! you got your sovereignty back and control over your borders.What could be better.

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