Chaos in Government

[Citizen's Nephew]

I've said before I'm totally done with political parties and prefer direct activism these days.

Parliament needs to work together. Get the brightest and best of all parties and sort the mess out. I cringed earlier this week listening to Starmer. I cringe listening to all political party leaders. Labour needs to work with everyone else and stop this idea of a party 'winning' an election but remember that each MP is representing real people with real problems in the real world. Westminster is not fit for purpose.

They fail with their basic duty of care. They'd be fired in the world I live in.

[Rjk]

I've said before I'm totally done with political parties and prefer direct activism these days.

Parliament needs to work together. Get the brightest and best of all parties and sort the mess out. I cringed earlier this week listening to Starmer. I cringe listening to all political party leaders. Labour needs to work with everyone else and stop this idea of a party 'winning' an election but remember that each MP is representing real people with real problems in the real world. Westminster is not fit for purpose.

They fail with their basic duty of care. They'd be fired in the world I live in.

Yes there could be a much more effective way to run a country, if you ran a business in the same way as we run the country it would be a total disaster.

It is not gong to change until the motivation is there for the MPs to start acting differently. At the moment their only incentive is to get voted in again next time, and maybe get themselves a more important job.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Yes there could be a much more effective way to run a country, if you ran a business in the same way as we run the country it would be a total disaster.

It is not gong to change until the motivation is there for the MPs to start acting differently. At the moment their only incentive is to get voted in again next time, and maybe get themselves a more important job.

Exactly this. They talk about supporting businesses then watch them rot. They sit as overpaid executives on boards that want a Trophy Director who's covertly lobbying in government (actually they're so brazen now they've stopped doing that) who's got no f*cking clue how to run the business of which they are a board member. The motivation of our state employees should be to help its citizens. Not just the ones who voted for their party or brand of politics. All of us.

[JamesWales]

Exactly this. They talk about supporting businesses then watch them rot. They sit as overpaid executives on boards that want a Trophy Director who's covertly lobbying in government (actually they're so brazen now they've stopped doing that) who's got no f*cking clue how to run the business of which they are a board member. The motivation of our state employees should be to help its citizens. Not just the ones who voted for their party or brand of politics. All of us.

In fairness, the amount of support given to private business in the last two and half years is unprecedented in the history of the country.

Had the market been left to it's devices, then there quite literally would be millions unemployed right now

[lardy]

In fairness, the amount of support given to private business in the last two and half years is unprecedented in the history of the country.

Had the market been left to it's devices, then there quite literally would be millions unemployed right now

That's not really a conservative achievement though is it. It's what any country should do when 90% of people can't go to work.

[JamesWales]

That's not really a conservative achievement though is it. It's what any country should do when 90% of people can't go to work.

Yes, it's something that more or less every country did, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen and it wasn't right to do it. It was an extraordinary level of support for the private sector.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Yes, it's something that more or less every country did, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen and it wasn't right to do it. It was an extraordinary level of support for the private sector.

That is 100% correct. But you very often like to use the word nuance (I'm not having a go) so without context there's a hidden story behind that statement.

[lardy]

Yes, it's something that more or less every country did, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen and it wasn't right to do it. It was an extraordinary level of support for the private sector.

It's like saying I'm a good dad because I feed my kids.

It's what everyone else does, and if I didn't it would be criminal - but I can claim it as an achievement?

[Citizen's Nephew]

In fairness, the amount of support given to private business in the last two and half years is unprecedented in the history of the country.

Had the market been left to it's devices, then there quite literally would be millions unemployed right now

Lardy just answered this. I've just got to say, you know we live in completely different world's right? There's no point us doing the same dance over and over again just for the sake of it. I think you're a really bright guy but we have completely different motivations in life and clearly completely different experiences. I'm tired of the status quo James. I'll no longer support it.

[life on mars]

Lardy just answered this. I've just got to say, you know we live in completely different world's right? There's no point us doing the same dance over and over again just for the sake of it. I think you're a really bright guy but we have completely different motivations in life and clearly completely different experiences. I'm tired of the status quo James. I'll no longer support it.

Do you not think the Furlough scheme saved jobs , it was one of the most generous job saving packages ever delivered , on a personal level working and now working in the private sector it certainly saved our workforce through those very challenging times ?

[Citizen's Nephew]

Do you not think the Furlough scheme saved jobs , it was one of the most generous job saving packages ever delivered , on a personal level working and now working in the private sector it certainly saved our workforce through those very challenging times ?

Of course, but in all seriousness LOM, how many global pandemics have we ever had to deal with? It's been overused but the word unprecedented applies.

[bobh]

I've said before I'm totally done with political parties and prefer direct activism these days.

Parliament needs to work together. Get the brightest and best of all parties and sort the mess out. I cringed earlier this week listening to Starmer. I cringe listening to all political party leaders. Labour needs to work with everyone else and stop this idea of a party 'winning' an election but remember that each MP is representing real people with real problems in the real world. Westminster is not fit for purpose.

They fail with their basic duty of care. They'd be fired in the world I live in.

100%

Under the current system, less than half the electorate can vote a party into a landslide victory.

Even in Blair's first election I think Labour got well under half the votes.

Some are calling for proportional rep in elections - why shouldn't the government appoint a cabinet according to the % of votes?

The way we have now sees us swinging from right to left snd back every few years.