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  1. #241

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    Boris won't have any power, I doubt they will let him make any decisions, it will be by cabinet committee until the New Leader in September.

  2. #242

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    Boris won't have any power, I doubt they will let him make any decisions, it will be by cabinet committee until the New Leader in September.
    Johnson's cuddly name to the last. If you think he wouldn't try to use this period for some kind of grandstanding redemption attempt you have learned nothing from the last three years!

  3. #243

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    I've said before I'm totally done with political parties and prefer direct activism these days.

    Parliament needs to work together. Get the brightest and best of all parties and sort the mess out. I cringed earlier this week listening to Starmer. I cringe listening to all political party leaders. Labour needs to work with everyone else and stop this idea of a party 'winning' an election but remember that each MP is representing real people with real problems in the real world. Westminster is not fit for purpose.

    They fail with their basic duty of care. They'd be fired in the world I live in.

  4. #244

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
    I've said before I'm totally done with political parties and prefer direct activism these days.

    Parliament needs to work together. Get the brightest and best of all parties and sort the mess out. I cringed earlier this week listening to Starmer. I cringe listening to all political party leaders. Labour needs to work with everyone else and stop this idea of a party 'winning' an election but remember that each MP is representing real people with real problems in the real world. Westminster is not fit for purpose.

    They fail with their basic duty of care. They'd be fired in the world I live in.
    Yes there could be a much more effective way to run a country, if you ran a business in the same way as we run the country it would be a total disaster.

    It is not gong to change until the motivation is there for the MPs to start acting differently. At the moment their only incentive is to get voted in again next time, and maybe get themselves a more important job.

  5. #245

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    They have work to do, they'll know the jobs and what needs to be done, the resignations were just a mutiny to push Boris as he wouldn't go himself.

    The quicker they get a new leader the quicker, it's probably the worst possible time!
    They've had three years of work to do and taken the piss. I can't think of any real world example that wouldn't have had a complete management restructure and fired the lot of them in any professional environment I've ever worked in.

    Work to do! Here you go, these were taken in Grangetown Tescos yesterday. The real f*cking world! Westminster's a theatrical drama full of egos, cocaine and sexual predators. They can all do one as far as I'm concerned.

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  6. #246

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    Warnock and Pulis on standby apparently

  7. #247

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    Enough of this Tory debauchery....when are we seeing our new kit?!

  8. #248

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Yes there could be a much more effective way to run a country, if you ran a business in the same way as we run the country it would be a total disaster.

    It is not gong to change until the motivation is there for the MPs to start acting differently. At the moment their only incentive is to get voted in again next time, and maybe get themselves a more important job.
    Exactly this. They talk about supporting businesses then watch them rot. They sit as overpaid executives on boards that want a Trophy Director who's covertly lobbying in government (actually they're so brazen now they've stopped doing that) who's got no f*cking clue how to run the business of which they are a board member. The motivation of our state employees should be to help its citizens. Not just the ones who voted for their party or brand of politics. All of us.

  9. #249

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnojek View Post
    Enough of this Tory debauchery....when are we seeing our new kit?!
    I'd welcome some diversion. I'm never going to complain about sh*t football ever again!

  10. #250

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
    I've said before I'm totally done with political parties and prefer direct activism these days.

    Parliament needs to work together. Get the brightest and best of all parties and sort the mess out. I cringed earlier this week listening to Starmer. I cringe listening to all political party leaders. Labour needs to work with everyone else and stop this idea of a party 'winning' an election but remember that each MP is representing real people with real problems in the real world. Westminster is not fit for purpose.

    They fail with their basic duty of care. They'd be fired in the world I live in.
    100%

    Under the current system, less than half the electorate can vote a party into a landslide victory.

    Even in Blair's first election I think Labour got well under half the votes.

    Some are calling for proportional rep in elections - why shouldn't the government appoint a cabinet according to the % of votes?

    The way we have now sees us swinging from right to left snd back every few years.

  11. #251

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Johnson has no shame whatsoever, but we knew that already. The way in which he is currently clinging onto power is comical and cringeworthy in equal measures.

    People actually voted for this man. There were millions who genuinely believed Johnson would make a good Prime Minister, but thatís the British public for you.
    Did they? I suppose his constituents did, but in the UK we have a parliamentary system, not a presidential system. The voters voted for the party, not the man.

  12. #252

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
    Exactly this. They talk about supporting businesses then watch them rot. They sit as overpaid executives on boards that want a Trophy Director who's covertly lobbying in government (actually they're so brazen now they've stopped doing that) who's got no f*cking clue how to run the business of which they are a board member. The motivation of our state employees should be to help its citizens. Not just the ones who voted for their party or brand of politics. All of us.
    In fairness, the amount of support given to private business in the last two and half years is unprecedented in the history of the country.

    Had the market been left to it's devices, then there quite literally would be millions unemployed right now

  13. #253

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    Quote Originally Posted by DryCleaning View Post
    Did they?
    Yes, they did. Very definitely.

  14. #254

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    In fairness, the amount of support given to private business in the last two and half years is unprecedented in the history of the country.

    Had the market been left to it's devices, then there quite literally would be millions unemployed right now
    That's not really a conservative achievement though is it. It's what any country should do when 90% of people can't go to work.

  15. #255

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    Steve Baker on TV again

    People will know I have provided leadership and direction , integrity , honesty 🤣


    He's one of the biggest chancers they have

    Dreadful creep

  16. #256

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Yes, they did. Very definitely.
    How is this possible given his name was on just 1 of 650 ballot papers?

  17. #257

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    Quote Originally Posted by DryCleaning View Post
    Did they? I suppose his constituents did, but in the UK we have a parliamentary system, not a presidential system. The voters voted for the party, not the man.
    With that logic, Corbyn had no effect on Labour's votes which makes all the effort the press put in to attacking him pointless.

  18. #258

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Johnson's cuddly name to the last. If you think he wouldn't try to use this period for some kind of grandstanding redemption attempt you have learned nothing from the last three years!
    Of course he will and I expect there to be moves, albeit unsuccessful ones I’d hope, claiming that he be allowed to carry on given the great job he’s making of the caretaker Prime Ministership.

    Just been listening to a Tory biographer of Johnson’s who said in all seriousness that he will be thinking of becoming Prime Minister again - perhaps when the “grey nobody” they select in his place has been deemed to have failed.

  19. #259

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    Quote Originally Posted by DryCleaning View Post
    How is this possible given his name was on just 1 of 650 ballot papers?
    Oh, do **** off.

  20. #260

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    That's not really a conservative achievement though is it. It's what any country should do when 90% of people can't go to work.
    Yes, it's something that more or less every country did, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen and it wasn't right to do it. It was an extraordinary level of support for the private sector.

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