Reply With QuoteThey usually do say where the money is coming from but an awful lot of people stick their fingers in their ears.Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
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Of course you are a raving tory 🙄the only thing died is Corbyns and Boris career.
No not dyed in the wool tory, but Labour and the liberals or whatever they are, were responsible for trying to stop it and took attention away from running the Country to trying to battle for Brexit.
They were trying to stop parliament every week?
Embarrassing now
They usually do say where the money is coming from but an awful lot of people stick their fingers in their ears.
Given the incumbent government has collected more in taxes than any government previously, in both real terms and as a percentage of national income, we can put to bed the myth the Tories are the party of low taxation.
And to be clear, I am referring to normal times, and not during any war or just after.
I'm not saying Labour's policy was correct, what I am saying it is a falsehood to state Labour were not clear on what their policy was.
I'm not an angler 😲You're not getting a bite from me, go fishing somewhere else
Probably. At least Blair seemed to be pro EC and would have been clear that the Labour party management was all for staying in the EU. As it was, it was a perfect shitstorm of deceit, some people dithering, others believing that it wouldn't really happen and Brexiteer Corbyn not willing to provide any guideline.
I’d agree with that.
No I was saying almost everyone that doesn't votes Labour, as it benefits them?
Floating voter, lets see in 2 years!
36Forty one years and vote again
Where's the like button.
I wonder if the best thing to do is to let him stay in post until his replacement, as he wants. Make perfectly clear to him that no big domestic changes will be allowed through by the party for the rest of his term. Let him spend his time on Ukraine, as he'd probably be happy to do so. Make sure he is well and truly sidelined in regards to domestic decision making
Brilliant! Can't see him getting the job of BBC political correspondent, unfortunately.
Thank you, thank you, thank you so much for posting this. You've made my day.
They have had a fully costed manifesto for every election I can remember voting in. You can argue with the details but you can't say they don't provide their workings.
Yeah I think that's probably true, turnout will probably tell a big part of the story.
I just don't really know what Brexit being done and dusted means in practice. We have reached the stage where nobody in favour will admit it was at best pointless and at worst a disaster, instead they tell you that the government have done Brexit badly and that they themselves would have done it really well, without telling you what that means (and which we also know wasn't really possible because expectations had been set too high by the leave side). I am not sure it will ever end.
Bizarrely, every manifesto I've ever read (and this is for all parties) are missing the detail with respect to the numbers.
Brexit is one of those things that allows its supporters to say the dividend is on its way. Its nonsense of course, it was a silly thing to do from day 1.
I won’t mention your poor grasp of the English language but what I will mention is your poor grasp of the EU ‘cheap’ labour situation. EU workers were entitled to the same wage as everybody else, they were paid the going rate with the same employment rights, they were legitimate employees. On the other hand, leaving the EU enabled rich people (as you described them) to employ illegal workers from overseas on as little a wage as they could get away with, it was in THEIR best interests not to be hampered with employment law, workers rights, holiday pay, sick pay, decent welfare, proper health & safety, proper notice of termination etc.
Illegal immigration fuels the black economy and is a very unfortunate byproduct of Brexit. Brexit is lining the pockets of your ‘rich people’ in a disgusting way.
We didn't vote to join the E.U. in 1975. The European project was quite different back then.When does the "you lost get on with it" approach run out? Because we voted to join the EU in 1975 and 41 years later leavers were still demanding to overturn that vote
I don't recall leavers asking for a second referendum in the 70s and niether do you, stop being silly. The main call for a referendum occured after the Maastrict treaty(1992) Which was right and fair, as the nature of the EU was changing way beyond what was proposed in 1975. I think 20/30 years is a fair amount of time for another referendum. Unless something dramatically changes.
Top post.
Do you, Ron, Ron?
A covid lockdown, furlough and the 2008 banking crisis were not "normal" times by any stretch of the imagination.
It's still a disgrace that we became massively indebted due to a banking bail out in 2008. We are slaves to the international banking system, I'm not a marxist at all, but Corbyn knew the international bankers were a parasitical cancer and they made sure he'd never become elected. The media smears against him were a joke. If you oppose the international banking system, for whatever legitimate reason. You'll be ruined politically and labelled anti semetic.
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