Have The Tories Come A Long Way ( Are They More Diverse Than Other Parties )

**life on mars** · 13-07-22, 08:41

Was struck by the picture on the news last night of the eight left in the race for PM

Two white males
Two white ladies
Two males of a ethnic group
Two ladies of a ethnic group

Kemi Badenoch ( well impressed by this lady , would rock politics if she won )
Suella Braverman ( strong willed lady )
Jeremy Hunt. ( sensible )
Penny Mordaunt. ( could be the dark horse , spoke well on LBC last night her campaign video is due this morning )
Rishi Sunak. ( bright spark too rich )
Liz Truss. ( mad as a box of frogs )
Tom Tugendhat ( not a Boris fan , before all this happened )
Nadhim Zahawi. ( incredible refugee back story )

**JamesWales** · 13-07-22, 08:46

I don't think they are more diverse no. I think it's a fact that they are not. However, they certainly have a better record in promoting and actually putting in power people who are not white men. I think the general philosophy of 'talent' being the determinant as opposed to identity means it is inevitable. Various Tory cabinets have of course been more diverse, last three chancellors have all been of asian heritage, two female prime ministers etc.

Where they do fall down is in terms of schools and class background etc, although every party does pretty poorly in that respect unfortunately.

**JamesWales** · 13-07-22, 08:50

I note from wikipedia that Francis Baring, Whig chancellor from 1839 to 1841 was born in Calcutta mind..so maybe thats 1-0 to the Lib Dems?!

**Taunton Blue Genie** · 13-07-22, 08:56

Originally Posted by life on mars

Was struck by the picture on the news last night of the eight left in the race for PM

Two white males
Two white ladies
Two males of a ethnic group
Two ladies of a ethnic group

Kemi Badenoch ( well impressed by this lady , would rock politics if she won )
Suella Braverman ( strong willed lady )
Jeremy Hunt. ( sensible )
Penny Mordaunt. ( could be the dark horse , spoke well on LBC last night her campaign video is due this morning )
Rishi Sunak. ( bright spark too rich )
Liz Truss. ( mad as a box of frogs )
Tom Tugendhat ( not a Boris fan , before all this happened )
Nadhim Zahawi. ( incredible refugee back story )

Nothing to do with his ethnicity or background but Zahawi came over as a bit of a chump on Radio 4 this morning.

**life on mars** · 13-07-22, 08:57

Originally Posted by JamesWales

I note from wikipedia that Francis Baring, Whig chancellor from 1839 to 1841 was born in Calcutta mind..so maybe thats 1-0 to the Lib Dems?!

Boris was born in USA

**JamesWales** · 13-07-22, 09:01

Originally Posted by life on mars

Boris was born in USA

Yeah I know. Bruce Springsteen wrote a song about him

**JamesWales** · 13-07-22, 09:02

Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Nothing to do with his ethnicity or background but Zahawi came over as a bit of a chump on Radio 4 this morning.

He's impressive I think, in the way contestants on the apprentice are..he should have a role in government, though I don't think as PM. He's not strong enough IMO

**Harry Lime** · 13-07-22, 09:11

Are only Tories called Ladies? A bit Victorian surely.
There may be a wider representation with regards to gender and ethnicity but I think they are all are from the same social background.
I suspect the party membership is less diverse but generally from the same social background.
What they need is a strong woman from a 'working' background, such as a greengrocers daughter.
Oh hold on ....

**Tuerto** · 13-07-22, 09:17

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Are only Tories called Ladies? A bit Victorian surely.
There may be a wider representation with regards to gender and ethnicity but I think they are all are from the same social background.
I suspect the party membership is less diverse but generally from the same social background.
What they need is a strong woman from a 'working' background, such as a greengrocers daughter.
Oh hold on ....

Beat me to it. None of those Tories, whatever colour or culture, represent my social background.

**life on mars** · 13-07-22, 09:19

Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Nothing to do with his ethnicity or background but Zahawi came over as a bit of a chump on Radio 4 this morning.

Yes sadly the same on LBC last night in the excellent Ian Dale show , he was very unsure think, he is a driven person and bright just lacks that slickness .

Penny Mordant was on straight after and there was a stark difference especially with the live callers , you can see why she is liked .

**Nobody's Rep** · 13-07-22, 09:33

Originally Posted by JamesWales

I don't think they are more diverse no. I think it's a fact that they are not. However, they certainly have a better record in promoting and actually putting in power people who are not white men. I think the general philosophy of 'talent' being the determinant as opposed to identity means it is inevitable. Various Tory cabinets have of course been more diverse, last three chancellors have all been of asian heritage, two female prime ministers etc.

Where they do fall down is in terms of schools and class background etc, although every party does pretty poorly in that respect unfortunately.

So if the main determinant is talent was Boris some form of laboratory experiment to prove that talent is needed as for the time he has been in charge I am not sure what his real talents are that are of value to being PM

**lardy** · 13-07-22, 09:33

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Are only Tories called Ladies? A bit Victorian surely.
There may be a wider representation with regards to gender and ethnicity but I think they are all are from the same social background.
I suspect the party membership is less diverse but generally from the same social background.
What they need is a strong woman from a 'working' background, such as a greengrocers daughter.
Oh hold on ....

Just 3.8% of the British electorate are poised to elect the next Prime Minister. Of these people:

70% are men
44% are over 65
97% are white
55% live in London & the South

This is how we ended up with Johnson.
— Gyll King (@GyllKing) July 10, 2022

**JamesWales** · 13-07-22, 09:39

Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep

So if the main determinant is talent was Boris some form of laboratory experiment to prove that talent is needed as for the time he has been in charge I am not sure what his real talents are that are of value to being PM

That's why I wrote talent as 'talent'. That said, the bloke run London for 8 years and got the country through the pandemic, but this is a different argument alltogether.

I think the Tories are probably better at ignoring someones colour nowadays and just letting those who rise to the top to do so.

**JamesWales** · 13-07-22, 09:46

Originally Posted by lardy

Just 3.8% of the British electorate are poised to elect the next Prime Minister. Of these people:

70% are men
44% are over 65
97% are white
55% live in London & the South

This is how we ended up with Johnson.
— Gyll King (@GyllKing) July 10, 2022

That's the rules though isn't it. Same with Gordon Brown and same (more or less) with Drakeford when he replaced Carwyn Jones

It's imperfect, I agree.

**Taunton Blue Genie** · 13-07-22, 09:50

Originally Posted by JamesWales

He's impressive I think, in the way contestants on the apprentice are..he should have a role in government, though I don't think as PM. He's not strong enough IMO

He wasn't impressive this morning. Sounded rather rudderless and very unconvincing.

**life on mars** · 13-07-22, 11:13

Here we go the next PM

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...campaign-video

Bit different campaign too the others its not about me, me, videos ..

**JamesWales** · 13-07-22, 12:11

Originally Posted by life on mars

Here we go the next PM

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...campaign-video

Bit different campaign too the others its not about me, me, videos ..

Not that this is of great importance, but I do quite fancy Penny Mordaunt.

**Lither_1927** · 13-07-22, 17:06

Can somebody explain to me why it's a good thing in Britain that there are fewer "white men"?

And i don't know why some are getting in a tizzy over this leadership race. Yeah it's something to discuss but Nothing meaningful will change. Both Labour and Tory are neo liberal puppets. Our system is owned by the Rothchilds(International banking)

**JamesWales** · 13-07-22, 17:20

Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Can somebody explain to me why it's a good thing in Britain that there are fewer "white men"?

And i don't know why some are getting in a tizzy over this leadership race. Yeah it's something to discuss but Nothing meaningful will change. Both Labour and Tory are neo liberal puppets. Our system is owned by the Rothchilds(International banking)

It's not. Everyone is equal. No one group is better or worse than any other. A community is not better or worse than any other due to a lack or abundance of any other group; it may be less interesting I suppose, but it is no better or worse. There are many ways to judge a society, but characteristics we cannot control shouldn't be one of them.

That said, in the context of this discussion, it is generally no bad thing that a governing party or organisation is broadly reflective of the society they serve. So whilst I think the constant references to skin colour are often unhelpful, it is worthy of note here perhaps.

And yes, identity politics is divisive, which is why I have do little time for it.

**Gofer Blue** · 13-07-22, 18:10

Pleased that Zahawi has been eliminated but disappointed that Hunt has. I think he would have been a good choice, especially as he was not a cabinet member, hence "untainted" when Johnson met his demise.

**Elwood Blues** · 13-07-22, 18:50

Originally Posted by JamesWales

Not that this is of great importance, but I do quite fancy Penny Mordaunt.

She speak well of you I believe James........

**delmbox** · 13-07-22, 19:28

Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Can somebody explain to me why it's a good thing in Britain that there are fewer "white men"?

Because as you keep banging on about, Britain is not a country of just white men so our leadership should reflect that

**SLUDGE FACTORY** · 13-07-22, 19:43

They are all tories, in it for themselves

Penny Mordaunt is only concerned with looking in the mirror . She would shoot her grandmother if it got her power , utterly ruthless horrible tory . Low tax , low state and all that bollocks .

Sunak is a snake as well .

**SLUDGE FACTORY** · 13-07-22, 19:50

Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

Pleased that Zahawi has been eliminated but disappointed that Hunt has. I think he would have been a good choice, especially as he was not a cabinet member, hence "untainted" when Johnson met his demise.

Jeremy Hunt when Health Secretary had huge interests in private health companies

He's a snake

All the Tories are snakes

**Lither_1927** · 13-07-22, 23:53

Originally Posted by delmbox

Because as you keep banging on about, Britain is not a country of just white men so our leadership should reflect that

Bravo Delmbox. So it's not the best man or woman for the job then?

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