Have The Tories Come A Long Way ( Are They More Diverse Than Other Parties )

[JamesWales]

I guess there's subtlety and nuance about those two 'essays' that you haven't picked up on, which surprises me as you're proud of having those traits.

I'm genuinely not sure what you mean. It's not uncommon to draw up a list (or an essay if you like) on the pro's and con's of two things to help make a decision though

[JamesWales]

Johnson wasn’t that type of politician, besides all of his moral faults, he was also widely regarded to just go along with what the last person who spoke to him on any given subject thought - the man has never ever made me laugh and, as far as I can see, his strong point, campaigning, consisted of nothing more than him going around wearing daft clothes, giving a thumbs up sign and gurning. I’m prepared to admit that my complete disregard for the man probably means that I don’t recognise that he is an effective campaigner, but, apart from that, he’s a man with very few political skills - we’ve just lived through a real life version of the Emperor’s New Clothes.

Like I said, they won't appeal to everyone, but to a large part of the population his style is/was appealing, and parties would be wise to remember that.

He clearly has more of a personality than many politicians, and many people find that appealing.

[life on mars]

Oooh BBC thinks the same :

Whoever wins the race to be the next prime minister, it will have been the most diverse major party leadership contest in UK history. What does this tell us about British politics?

Four of the eight Conservative MPs who made it through to the first round of voting are women, and four - Rishi Sunak, Nadhim Zahawi, Suella Braverman and Kemi Badenoch - are from ethnic minority backgrounds. Mr Zahawi was voted out in the first round, along with Jeremy Hunt.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62150063

[lardy]

I'm genuinely not sure what you mean. It's not uncommon to draw up a list (or an essay if you like) on the pro's and con's of two things to help make a decision though

It was hardly a list of pros and cons. It was a full article, ready for publication in the Times, just a few weeks before he became the figurehead for the Vote Leave campaign.

Is that someone who says it as he sees it?

It's not difficult to think of more examples of him lying, changing a story, and doing anything but 'say it as he sees it' (which is a phrase used for people who speak blunt truths).

[the other bob wilson]

He was the creation of the opposition and another populist , you could argue one populist created the other , or vis versa ,either way they are the same if you strip out the left and right argument the article below from a left leaning paper is well crafted .


https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-democracy-mps

The campaign to re-elect Corbyn is populist to its core. It is based on the absoluteness of the “democratic mandate” given by Labour members and supporters, which renders null and void any dissent from Labour’s “elites” in Westminster or Brussels. It means that Corbyn does not even need the support of the MPs he is supposed to be leading in the House of Commons. To do anything other than “get behind the leader” is to thwart the will of Labour’s people. Corbyn warmly talks of “reaching out”, but those who take his hand must be willing to be led by it.

This is populism in its purest form, with the people as the final and best judges. Its simplistic purity obscures the complex messiness of real political problems, the greatest of which is that an effective opposition leader needs to command the support of the party in parliament. Corbyn’s supporters do not entertain the possibility that those who dedicate their lives to serving their party and the country might have good reason to believe their man is not up to the job. Rejection of Corbyn is taken as proof that they are traitors, to be replaced by people who will do what their electorate tells them without daring to question its judgment. The party members and supporters are always right, so any of its MPs who disagree must be wrong.

"He was a creation of the opposition" - really?

The bloke who wrote this had Johnson down to a tee when this was written more than forty years in his school report;-

"Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies. [He] sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the school for the next half).

"I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation that binds everyone else."

[Taunton Blue Genie]

"He was a creation of the opposition" - really?

The bloke who wrote this had Johnson down to a tee when this was written more than forty years in his school report;-

"Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies. [He] sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the school for the next half).

"I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation that binds everyone else."

LoM thinks that Boris is about 4 years old.

[JamesWales]

"He was a creation of the opposition" - really?

The bloke who wrote this had Johnson down to a tee when this was written more than forty years in his school report;-

"Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies. [He] sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the school for the next half).

"I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation that binds everyone else."

I know you don't like him, but, in terms of responsibility:

He did see us through Covid.

He did ultimately (and finally) fulfil the Brexit referendum.

He is generally acknowledged to have done very well in terms of support for Ukraine
https://inews.co.uk/news/world/boris...nation-1729581

Obviously this is balanced against numerous reasons to not like him, but I think we need to accept a bit of balance here. I hear a lot of (generally on twitter) rather extravagant critiques of him as the worst politician / PM of all time etc. I'm not really sure that's true. A lot of people seem to have these rather extreme proclamations about every prime minister..

[Taunton Blue Genie]

I know you don't like him, but, in terms of responsibility:

He did see us through Covid.

He did ultimately (and finally) fulfil the Brexit referendum.

He is generally acknowledged to have done very well in terms of support for Ukraine
https://inews.co.uk/news/world/boris...nation-1729581

Obviously this is balanced against numerous reasons to not like him, but I think we need to accept a bit of balance here. I hear a lot of (generally on twitter) rather extravagant critiques of him as the worst politician / PM of all time etc. I'm not really sure that's true. A lot of people seem to have these rather extreme proclamations about every prime minister..

You always claim to have a balanced view but you do seem to lean towards the present government as a default. I may be deluding myself but in decades of following politics this regime seems the most cankerous I can remember - and I am not 'of the left'.

[the other bob wilson]

I know you don't like him, but, in terms of responsibility:

He did see us through Covid.

He did ultimately (and finally) fulfil the Brexit referendum.

He is generally acknowledged to have done very well in terms of support for Ukraine
https://inews.co.uk/news/world/boris...nation-1729581

Obviously this is balanced against numerous reasons to not like him, but I think we need to accept a bit of balance here. I hear a lot of (generally on twitter) rather extravagant critiques of him as the worst politician / PM of all time etc. I'm not really sure that's true. A lot of people seem to have these rather extreme proclamations about every prime minister..

What was he supposed to do with Covid? Walk away from it? As for Brexit, the man wants to rip up his “oven ready deal”. His own party, not the electorate, have just kicked him out

[Lither_1927]

You stick to your guns mate

And you stick to yours i suppose

[Lither_1927]

When has it ever been the best man or woman for the job?!

But also assuming that that is the case, I'm sorry to ruin your attempt at a gotcha but I didn't say our leader, I said our leadership, which means that the people in charge should be from a diverse mix of backgrounds, so it's a good thing that the group of people in charge from which the leader will be picked from is diverse. You obviously think that 8 white men would be better but you're just filled with anger, resentment and prejudice so who cares

Politics is cut throat. It's always been the best man for the job. I'm still confused as to whether you want the best people possible or less suitable people who fit strict racial quotas. I think you want the latter but you're afraid to come out and explicitly say it. Fear of ridicule maybe lol

[Wales-Bales]

Politics is cut throat. It's always been the chosen puppet for the job

Spot on

[Wales-Bales]

The Peter Principle.

Is that similar to the Lardy & Cyril Principle?

[delmbox]

Politics is cut throat. It's always been the best man for the job. I'm still confused as to whether you want the best people possible or less suitable people who fit strict racial quotas. I think you want the latter but you're afraid to come out and explicitly say it. Fear of ridicule maybe lol

It's quite simple really - I think that to find the best person possible you need to pick from a diverse pool of applicants, not just a bunch of white men. Sometimes the best person will be a white man, a lot of the time it won't be. Traditionally we've never been able to find out because women/people of colour etc have never had a look in.

I'm not remotely surprised that a Tommy Robinson fanboy would find that idea distasteful and even less surprised that a grown man who says lol finds is easily confused

[Wales-Bales]

She is probably a good actress and reading from a script, but Kemi seems like the best option to me.

[Lither_1927]

It's quite simple really - I think that to find the best person possible you need to pick from a diverse pool of applicants, not just a bunch of white men. Sometimes the best person will be a white man, a lot of the time it won't be. Traditionally we've never been able to find out because women/people of colour etc have never had a look in.

I'm not remotely surprised that a Tommy Robinson fanboy would find that idea distasteful and even less surprised that a grown man who says lol finds is easily confused

"Sometimes the best will be a white guy. A *lot* of the time it won't be". *Sometimes* versus *a lot*
You seem to be suggesting that "white men" are somehow handicap. Can you explain why delmbox? Cheers

And what do fully mature, real men use to espress laughter on here? The trite yellow smiley? Lolz

[Wales-Bales]

"Sometimes the best will be a white guy. A *lot* of the time it won't be". *Sometimes* versus *a lot*
You seem to be suggesting that "white men" are somehow handicap. Can you explain why delmbox? Cheers

And what do fully mature, real men use to espress laughter on here? The trite yellow smiley? Lolz

I'm waiting for his analysis of African and Asian countries.

[Lither_1927]

I'm waiting for his analysis of African and Asian countries.

I've given up asking him, he disapears for a while then reappears all fresh with another terrible take.

[Lither_1927]

Spot on

So true

[JamesWales]

"Sometimes the best will be a white guy. A *lot* of the time it won't be". *Sometimes* versus *a lot*
You seem to be suggesting that "white men" are somehow handicap. Can you explain why delmbox? Cheers

And what do fully mature, real men use to espress laughter on here? The trite yellow smiley? Lolz

Fair point.

Best idea is to quit the adherence to identity politics. It's a grim road to a grim place. Tories are far less obsessed with it, and look at the result - A great range of candidates for leader who everyone knows is there with zero quotas required.

[delmbox]

"Sometimes the best will be a white guy. A *lot* of the time it won't be". *Sometimes* versus *a lot*
You seem to be suggesting that "white men" are somehow handicap. Can you explain why delmbox? Cheers

And what do fully mature, real men use to espress laughter on here? The trite yellow smiley? Lolz

Yeah sure. When you add up all the non white men, white women and non white women in the UK it comes to more people than white men. Therefore I would assume that sometimes the best person for a job will be a white man, a lot of the times it won't be because there's a wider pool of talent to choose from. I'm not a statistics expert though so maybe that mathematical assumption is wrong

Fundamentally I just think a leadership's diversity should be reflective of a country's diversity so everybody can feel represented. Throughout history white men have never had an issue with that but now that society is changing so that voices other than theirs are heard certain people just can't handle it - you see it in from who the new PM will be down to women's football being given publicity. Reminds me of that quote "When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"

That's my opinion, like it or lump it I couldn't honestly care less and I'm sure the feeling's mutual. Have a lovely day

[Dorcus]

Yeah sure. When you add up all the non white men, white women and non white women in the UK it comes to more people than white men. Therefore I would assume that sometimes the best person for a job will be a white man, a lot of the times it won't be because there's a wider pool of talent to choose from. I'm not a statistics expert though so maybe that mathematical assumption is wrong

Fundamentally I just think a leadership's diversity should be reflective of a country's diversity so everybody can feel represented. Throughout history white men have never had an issue with that but now that society is changing so that voices other than theirs are heard certain people just can't handle it - you see it in from who the new PM will be down to women's football being given publicity. Reminds me of that quote "When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"

That's my opinion, like it or lump it I couldn't honestly care less and I'm sure the feeling's mutual. Have a lovely day

I must admit I'd never heard the expression you quoted before; I will Google it to find out more about its origin. However I think it brilliant and it succinctly encapsulates the source of much of humanity's problems. Thanks for that.

[Wales-Bales]

Yeah sure. When you add up all the non white men, white women and non white women in the UK it comes to more people than white men. Therefore I would assume that sometimes the best person for a job will be a white man, a lot of the times it won't be because there's a wider pool of talent to choose from. I'm not a statistics expert though so maybe that mathematical assumption is wrong

Fundamentally I just think a leadership's diversity should be reflective of a country's diversity so everybody can feel represented. Throughout history white men have never had an issue with that but now that society is changing so that voices other than theirs are heard certain people just can't handle it - you see it in from who the new PM will be down to women's football being given publicity. Reminds me of that quote "When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"

That's my opinion, like it or lump it I couldn't honestly care less and I'm sure the feeling's mutual. Have a lovely day

You are getting stranger by the week, and I am absolutely loving it. Keep up the good work

[Lither_1927]

Yeah sure. When you add up all the non white men, white women and non white women in the UK it comes to more people than white men. Therefore I would assume that sometimes the best person for a job will be a white man, a lot of the times it won't be because there's a wider pool of talent to choose from. I'm not a statistics expert though so maybe that mathematical assumption is wrong

Fundamentally I just think a leadership's diversity should be reflective of a country's diversity so everybody can feel represented. Throughout history white men have never had an issue with that but now that society is changing so that voices other than theirs are heard certain people just can't handle it - you see it in from who the new PM will be down to women's football being given publicity. Reminds me of that quote "When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"

That's my opinion, like it or lump it I couldn't honestly care less and I'm sure the feeling's mutual. Have a lovely day

Your assumption is wrong, in parliament White men make up the vast majority. There are plenty of professions where your dreaded "white male" is in the majority. I'm not sure that in the general population are in the small minority either not to the extent to justify your "sometimes" versus "a lot" idea.

" When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression" lol
I'm sorry to bust your bubble but nowhere in nature do you get equality and trying to impose eQuAlITy will lead to oppressing people. What do you do about the naturally beautiful? Make them more ugly for equality? What about those with naturally more drive and a higher work ethic? Tax them heavily?
What about those who are naturally more intelligent? Lobotomy? See how mad equality can get...

You are clearly brain washed into despising your own kind by Marxist "Critical Theory" ...i see you as a victim. You've been tricked into thinking that deriding your own kind is somehow enlightened. The modern left is a suicide cult, so finally Delmbox, just for confirmation, You would want to choose your heart surgeon based on racial quotas and not the best man for the job?

[Lither_1927]

You are getting stranger by the week, and I am absolutely loving it. Keep up the good work

He is lol