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Thread: Tommy Doyle.

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    Tommy Doyle.

    Just listening to the Second Tier podcast where the two presenters are selecting their key players for each team (they went for Colwill and Sawyers for City), but I was surprised to hear one of them pick Tommy Doyle for Sheffield United. They were also raving about him being one of the best summer signings in the whole division on the back of how good he was for City, my question is was he really that good for us?

    I’d definitely say he improved our midfield and gave it some of the dynamism it was lacking and his attitude was spot on. He also scored a couple of nice goals which suggested he could get quite a few more in a side that created more chances. This is something which makes it hard to gauge how good a young player who has been in our team in the last few seasons might be - given the serious limitations of many of our players, you’d have had to be something really special to have stood out in our team.

    Nevertheless, I felt a tiny bit disappointed with Doyle by the time he left us because there were games where he made little contribution, his form seemed to fade as his spell with us went on and, frankly, his much heralded dead ball deliveru was pretty poor throughout.

    I appreciate a lot of what he went through in the last few months of the season was new to him and I shouldn’t lose sight of how young he is still - I’d have him back here like a shot and I’m sure he’ll play plenty of Premier League football in his career, but, as I said before, I had that slight feeling of disappointment about him at the of his time here.

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    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    The lad is very talented and was certainly a factor in our improvement

    He tended to pass a lot to Drameh (Possibly because he was one of the few actually moving for him) and a lot of the fancy stuff often led to the ball being lost. He's certainly nowhere near the class of Whittingham or McPhail

    He's replacing Gibbs White for them - he's not as good a player as him but I'd definitely would have liked him back here

  3. #3

    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    100% agree with this.

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    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    Quote Originally Posted by binman View Post
    The lad is very talented and was certainly a factor in our improvement

    He tended to pass a lot to Drameh (Possibly because he was one of the few actually moving for him) and a lot of the fancy stuff often led to the ball being lost. He's certainly nowhere near the class of Whittingham or McPhail

    He's replacing Gibbs White for them - he's not as good a player as him but I'd definitely would have liked him back here
    Doyle is a totally different type of player to Whittingham and Mcphail, so a direct comparison is a bit pointless. Plus Doyle was only 20 years old when here. I dare say at 20 that both Whittingham and Mcphail had a fair bit of improving to do and I would believe that Doyle is already showing enough potential to end up better than both. If Whittingham and Mcphail were that good for us, how come no top Premier League side ever came in for them when they were here ? (Dont get me wrong, I liked them both).

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    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Doyle is a totally different type of player to Whittingham and Mcphail, so a direct comparison is a bit pointless. Plus Doyle was only 20 years old when here. I dare say at 20 that both Whittingham and Mcphail had a fair bit of improving to do and I would believe that Doyle is already showing enough potential to end up better than both. If Whittingham and Mcphail were that good for us, how come no top Premier League side ever came in for them when they were here ? (Dont get me wrong, I liked them both).
    Do you think Doyle will break into the Man City team or become a regular starter for a top Premier League side?

    I dont.

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    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    Doyle in a good team, with much better players around him, playing much better football, will be a totally different player to what we had last year.

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    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal View Post
    Doyle in a good team, with much better players around him, playing much better football, will be a totally different player to what we had last year.
    I dont want to go on because Im far from a Doyle hater but I feel like you could say this about anyone.

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    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal View Post
    Doyle in a good team, with much better players around him, playing much better football, will be a totally different player to what we had last year.
    To what level though

    I loved Doyle, thought he was a cracking player and I'd have him back here in a flash

    Do I think he was a 'star in the making'? No.

    Do I think he was Premier League level? No

    He has got plenty of time on his side and has a brilliant sense of awareness but he didn't look a class above regularly. He will develop into a good player, but don't see him hitting dizzying heights quite yet but wish him all the best and hope he proves me wrong.

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    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Doyle is a totally different type of player to Whittingham and Mcphail, so a direct comparison is a bit pointless. Plus Doyle was only 20 years old when here. I dare say at 20 that both Whittingham and Mcphail had a fair bit of improving to do and I would believe that Doyle is already showing enough potential to end up better than both. If Whittingham and Mcphail were that good for us, how come no top Premier League side ever came in for them when they were here ? (Dont get me wrong, I liked them both).
    Utter bollocks. By the time Whitts was Doyles age (20, nearly 21) he had wracked up 50 PL appearances for Villa.

    Mcphail was a regular for Leeds in the Premier League at 19.

    Doyle is nowhere near as good as either of them.

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    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    I liked him but put it like this - if Phil Foden had been put in our team at the same age he’d have stood out a mile, and that’s the level it takes to break into the Man City team

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    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    I thought he was perfect for what we needed in January and did really well. Wasn’t to disappointed we didn’t sign him though as we seem to be doing for more power and pace, not sure how he would fit in todays team.

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    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Just listening to the Second Tier podcast where the two presenters are selecting their key players for each team (they went for Colwill and Sawyers for City), but I was surprised to hear one of them pick Tommy Doyle for Sheffield United. They were also raving about him being one of the best summer signings in the whole division on the back of how good he was for City, my question is was he really that good for us?

    I’d definitely say he improved our midfield and gave it some of the dynamism it was lacking and his attitude was spot on. He also scored a couple of nice goals which suggested he could get quite a few more in a side that created more chances. This is something which makes it hard to gauge how good a young player who has been in our team in the last few seasons might be - given the serious limitations of many of our players, you’d have had to be something really special to have stood out in our team.

    Nevertheless, I felt a tiny bit disappointed with Doyle by the time he left us because there were games where he made little contribution, his form seemed to fade as his spell with us went on and, frankly, his much heralded dead ball deliveru was pretty poor throughout.

    I appreciate a lot of what he went through in the last few months of the season was new to him and I shouldn’t lose sight of how young he is still - I’d have him back here like a shot and I’m sure he’ll play plenty of Premier League football in his career, but, as I said before, I had that slight feeling of disappointment about him at the of his time here.
    I dont think he will play plenty of Premier League footballer. Championship footballer at best.

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    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    I liked him but put it like this - if Phil Foden had been put in our team at the same age hed have stood out a mile, and thats the level it takes to break into the Man City team
    Lets not use Phil Foden as an example

    He stands out in Man Citys team

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    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    On what that podcast said about us, Colwill is good enough to be a key player and certainly ought to be, but I can see hm spending a lot of time on the bench again, I can't see Morison playing a number 10 considering the number of midfielders we've signed, he probably won't trust him in midfield either and he probably doesn't have the pace to be a winger

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    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    On what that podcast said about us, Colwill is good enough to be a key player and certainly ought to be, but I can see hm spending a lot of time on the bench again, I can't see Morison playing a number 10 considering the number of midfielders we've signed, he probably won't trust him in midfield either and he probably doesn't have the pace to be a winger
    I agree, I think he will be in and out. I think that might be the case for the wingers as well.

  16. #16

    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    On what that podcast said about us, Colwill is good enough to be a key player and certainly ought to be, but I can see hm spending a lot of time on the bench again, I can't see Morison playing a number 10 considering the number of midfielders we've signed, he probably won't trust him in midfield either and he probably doesn't have the pace to be a winger
    Morison doesnt fancy him. It was Mick who really rated Colwill, Morison had earmarked him to be released last summer before he broke into the side under Mick 2nd half of 20/21 season.

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    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Morison doesnt fancy him. It was Mick who really rated Colwill, Morison had earmarked him to be released last summer before he broke into the side under Mick 2nd half of 20/21 season.
    yet he played a full 90 minutes under Morison at least 8 times and only once under Mick, in his final game against Middlesbrough

  18. #18

    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Just listening to the Second Tier podcast where the two presenters are selecting their key players for each team (they went for Colwill and Sawyers for City), but I was surprised to hear one of them pick Tommy Doyle for Sheffield United. They were also raving about him being one of the best summer signings in the whole division on the back of how good he was for City, my question is was he really that good for us?

    Id definitely say he improved our midfield and gave it some of the dynamism it was lacking and his attitude was spot on. He also scored a couple of nice goals which suggested he could get quite a few more in a side that created more chances. This is something which makes it hard to gauge how good a young player who has been in our team in the last few seasons might be - given the serious limitations of many of our players, youd have had to be something really special to have stood out in our team.

    Nevertheless, I felt a tiny bit disappointed with Doyle by the time he left us because there were games where he made little contribution, his form seemed to fade as his spell with us went on and, frankly, his much heralded dead ball deliveru was pretty poor throughout.

    I appreciate a lot of what he went through in the last few months of the season was new to him and I shouldnt lose sight of how young he is still - Id have him back here like a shot and Im sure hell play plenty of Premier League football in his career, but, as I said before, I had that slight feeling of disappointment about him at the of his time here.
    Decent player, very neat and tidy. Not sure if he will kick on though. Would have him back but not sure hes a stand out in the division.

    Re Colwill, hes too good to be a bit part but god knows where he fits in with the signings weve made

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    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    only 20 and people are getting a bit sniffy because he didn't single handedly turn around a pretty bad team last year, after barely playing until February.
    if he'd come through our academy people would be singing his praises.
    probably won't become a first team player for man city, but there probably weren't any players in this division last year you'd say we're likely to do that.
    could easily go on to be a decent premier League player, think he'll do well there

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    Re: Tommy Doyle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    Decent player, very neat and tidy. Not sure if he will kick on though. Would have him back but not sure he’s a stand out in the division.

    Re Colwill, he’s too good to be a bit part but god knows where he fits in with the signings we’ve made
    if we play 4-2-3-1 at times I can see colwill getting plenty of game time.
    just because we've played 2 matches with 4-3-3 it doesn't mean we will continue with that once everyone is fit

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