Train strike on opening day of the season

[Doucas]

you're a bootlicking tosser who wallows in the politics of envy, but hey, its not political, (Except in your head) or is it?

Politics of envy? Trust me I'm doing alright.

[Doucas]

I don't dispute that it's a tough job at all and is rightly well paid.

The issue for me, is that this is an industry that was utterly on it's arse for 18 months. Almost nobody was commuting on trains and essentially nobody was travelling across country. Were it normal times, these jobs would have ceased to exist.

They didn't because of government support, paid for by us (or more accruately, our kids).

That changes things and it's the reason I don't support the strikes. It is also no route out of the problem of inflation. If every sector did this we will merely exacerbate the problem, prolong it and extend the pain.

Pandemics are fkn shit. Wars are fkn shit. Ukrainians are losing their lives and for us the consequences are economic, but they are not solved through actions like this.

No support from me on this occasion

You'd have said the exact same thing through every single improvement to workers conditions ever made.

[Lither_1927]

Politics of envy? Trust me I'm doing alright.

Would you lose out personally from a Labour government? If so, how?

[xsnaggle]

That's the whole point of a strike, isn't it? Nobody strikes midnight to 5am.

Lardy I never argued that the strike was unfair or anything else. If you read me post all I said was that whatever the merits or demerits of the action, someone trying to get somewhere on the train who cannot because of the strikes will hate it and see the drivers (at that moment) as his or her enemy. All the rest was generated by people making political statements demonstrating that its not political.
Personally I'm only here because I'm sitting in my office on a construction site bored sh.ttless because everyone had stopped work in anticipation of the ridiculously hot weather ordered by the useless tory scum government for monday and tuesday. And that is not a political opinion btw.

[JamesWales]

You'd have said the exact same thing through every single improvement to workers conditions ever made.

Except I wouldn't, I haven't, I don't and I have been on strike myself on two occasions.

So you are wrong, unsurprisingly.

[xsnaggle]

Politics of envy? Trust me I'm doing alright.

Now we have you pegged........ Left wing champagne socialist. Do you live in Islington by any chance?

[Doucas]

Now we have you pegged........ Left wing champagne socialist. Do you live in Islington by any chance?

So let me get this right, if I'm poor I'm just jealous, if I'm doing alright I'm a champagne socialist.

What's the exact amount of wealth I should have before I can complain about inequality?

[Doucas]

Would you lose out personally from a Labour government? If so, how?

Well I've got no idea because Labour don't really have any policies.

If Corbyn was in charge I'd have been taxed far higher on capital gains as I've made significant amount on investments over the past two years. And guess what? I wouldn't mind that.

[xsnaggle]

Well I've got no idea because Labour don't really have any policies.

If Corbyn was in charge I'd have been taxed far higher on capital gains as I've made significant amount on investments over the past two years. And guess what? I wouldn't mind that.

Easy to say that when it hasn't happened and is unlikely to.

[Doucas]

Easy to say that when it hasn't happened and is unlikely to.

Just because you're incapable of imagining people happy to see their money spent on helping others and vital services such as the NHS doesn't mean everyone thinks like you.

[Lither_1927]

Just because you're incapable of imagining people happy to see their money spent on helping others and vital services such as the NHS doesn't mean everyone thinks like you.

You can spend money on helping others without wasting it with marxist fruitcakes in Government.
You could've donated the capital gains you didn't pay to charity. But i doubt you did, or you would've already said so.

[xsnaggle]

Just because you're incapable of imagining people happy to see their money spent on helping others and vital services such as the NHS doesn't mean everyone thinks like you.

I'm quite capable of imagining it. Why do you always assume that people can or cannot do this or that. It's very pretentious.
I've paid my due taxes all my life. I have no problem with it.
But I do hate to see it wasted. don't you?

[JamesWales]

Just because you're incapable of imagining people happy to see their money spent on helping others and vital services such as the NHS doesn't mean everyone thinks like you.

You should be happy Ducky.

In the last couple of years, more money has been spent on the NHS and on helping people than at any point in human history. And yet still you are vitriolic.

[Stanmore Bluebird]

Well that's a bit shitty. Glad we are not away at Norwich as it's a great awayday on the train.

I am affected as I have already paid for an advance return ticket from London Paddington for Norwich at home.

[Doucas]

I'm quite capable of imagining it. Why do you always assume that people can or cannot do this or that. It's very pretentious.
I've paid my due taxes all my life. I have no problem with it.
But I do hate to see it wasted. don't you?

I'm still waiting for you to tell me the exact amount of wealth I should have before I complain about growing inequality.

If you hate to see it wasted you must be absolutely raging at the current government who've put on almost a trillion of debt, even before covid. You must be furious at brexit.

People like you only complain about wasted money when it's aimed at helping people.

[Nobody's Rep]

What about front line workers who rely on trains to get to work in the NHS in social care retail and othe foundation economy roles broadly offering day a week services etc because they can't afford to fill up their cars with petrol and are basically suffering "in work poverty"

[Its been emotional]

It's every workers right to withdraw their labour and strike for better pay and conditions, job security and stop attacks on their pensions that they have worked and saved their whole life for.
I will and will always support any strike action
Up the workers 👍

[JamesWales]

I'm still waiting for you to tell me the exact amount of wealth I should have before I complain about growing inequality.

If you hate to see it wasted you must be absolutely raging at the current government who've put on almost a trillion of debt, even before covid. You must be furious at brexit.

People like you only complain about wasted money when it's aimed at helping people.

The debt is almost entirely due to helping people get through Covid.

You want the government to help people
They helped people
You moan that helping people costs money.

[Tuerto]

The debt is almost entirely due to helping people get through Covid.

You want the government to help people
They helped people
You moan that helping people costs money.

The government had an obligation to help people during COVID, it's not a bonus, it was in the interests of everyone that they did. A fair few of them helped themselves as well, and their mates.

[splott parker]

The debt is almost entirely due to helping people get through Covid.

You want the government to help people
They helped people
You moan that helping people costs money.

The government feathered the nests of family and friends in a disgusting, devious, underhand fashion during the height of the pandemic. They kept a vast amount of the spoils within a very tight circle.

[Nobody's Rep]

The government feathered the nests of family and friends in a disgusting, devious, underhand fashion during the height of the pandemic. They kept a vast amount of the spoils within a very tight circle.

Are you saying they are guilty of that just through the pandemic 🤔

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

It's every workers right to withdraw their labour and strike for better pay and conditions, job security and stop attacks on their pensions that they have worked and saved their whole life for.
I will and will always support any strike action
Up the workers 👍

Have it

[Harry Paget Flashman]

What about front line workers who rely on trains to get to work in the NHS in social care retail and othe foundation economy roles broadly offering day a week services etc because they can't afford to fill up their cars with petrol and are basically suffering "in work poverty"

Maybe if they all weren't sold off prices would still be reasonable.

Maybe if the businesses that own the railways weren't taking 70% profits they could afford to pay staff a decent wage.

Maybe if the economy had been managed better over the term of the last government there wouldn't be widespread industrial action about to take place.

[Nobody's Rep]

Maybe if they all weren't sold off prices would still be reasonable.

Maybe if the businesses that own the railways weren't taking 70% profits they could afford to pay staff a decent wage.

Maybe if the economy had been managed better over the term of the last government there wouldn't be widespread industrial action about to take place.

I'm not sure what you are referring to in terms of being sold off? I'm talking about front line workers who rely on trains to get to work??

[J R Hartley]

The government had an obligation to help people during COVID, it's not a bonus, it was in the interests of everyone that they did. A fair few of them helped themselves as well, and their mates.

Disaster capitalism at its absolute finest