I know there are outside influences involved, but………….

[Eric Cartman]

It is pretty obvious that this particular western economy is suffering the effects of cock-ups not conspiracy.

From Osborne's Austerity Cult, through Brexit, to whatever incoherent cluster**** is being inflicted by this week's Chancellor (whoever that is) it is a tale of incompetence and self-harm. And based on that shambles of a leadership debate on the BBC last night (not helped by the BBC!) it is going to get worse!

I see where you are going Jon. I don't subscribe to the idea that everything is microscopically planned at an international level but I also can't let things slide as 'cock ups' when they are most definitely are deliberate acts intended to sacrifice people for profit.

[jon1959]

I see where you are going Jon. I don't subscribe to the idea that everything is microscopically planned at an international level but I also can't let things slide as 'cock ups' when they are most definitely are deliberate acts intended to sacrifice people for profit.

I agree with you.

It is Tory politicians doing what Tory politicians do - acting in the interests of a few at the expense of the many, and dressing it up with false claims about 'national interest' and other flag waving hypocrisy. Although Sunak and Truss do seem to be a bit surprised by the real world effect of all their policy decisions - so I'm not convinced they have worked it all out in their heads and focus groups.

But what I do not accept is that this is all the product of an international conspiracy of super villains living in a cave in Switzerland or a bunker under Dallas - sending out instructions to their vast stable of acolytes running governments and corporations around the world.

The rich and powerful have shared interests that they promote - and they talk to each other and collaborate to maximise their profits, wealth, status and influence. The poor and dispossessed have similar shared interests and need to find ways to fight back.

That is the old capitalist/imperialist world order. Organ and Gluey like to overlay (often contradictory) plot lines that add nothing to our understanding of what happens and why - and have the effect of deflecting from what should be the real target.

[the other bob wilson]

I agree with you.

It is Tory politicians doing what Tory politicians do - acting in the interests of a few at the expense of the many, and dressing it up with false claims about 'national interest' and other flag waving hypocrisy. Although Sunak and Truss do seem to be a bit surprised by the real world effect of all their policy decisions - so I'm not convinced they have worked it all out in their heads and focus groups.

But what I do not accept is that this is all the product of an international conspiracy of super villains living in a cave in Switzerland or a bunker under Dallas - sending out instructions to their vast stable of acolytes running governments and corporations around the world.

The rich and powerful have shared interests that they promote - and they talk to each other and collaborate to maximise their profits, wealth, status and influence. The poor and dispossessed have similar shared interests and need to find ways to fight back.

That is the old capitalist/imperialist world order. Organ and Gluey like to overlay (often contradictory) plot lines that add nothing to our understanding of what happens and why - and have the effect of deflecting from what should be the real target.

Regarding your fourth paragraph, the “independent thinkers” (who all think the same things) seem to believe that the rest of us haven’t realised this.

[Wales-Bales]

I agree with you.

It is Tory politicians doing what Tory politicians do - acting in the interests of a few at the expense of the many, and dressing it up with false claims about 'national interest' and other flag waving hypocrisy. Although Sunak and Truss do seem to be a bit surprised by the real world effect of all their policy decisions - so I'm not convinced they have worked it all out in their heads and focus groups.

But what I do not accept is that this is all the product of an international conspiracy of super villains living in a cave in Switzerland or a bunker under Dallas - sending out instructions to their vast stable of acolytes running governments and corporations around the world.

The rich and powerful have shared interests that they promote - and they talk to each other and collaborate to maximise their profits, wealth, status and influence. The poor and dispossessed have similar shared interests and need to find ways to fight back.

That is the old capitalist/imperialist world order. Organ and Gluey like to overlay (often contradictory) plot lines that add nothing to our understanding of what happens and why - and have the effect of deflecting from what should be the real target.

I was amazed when all the lefties started attacking Corbyn, and now they are paying the price.

[Wales-Bales]

I agree with you.

It is Tory politicians doing what Tory politicians do - acting in the interests of a few at the expense of the many, and dressing it up with false claims about 'national interest' and other flag waving hypocrisy. Although Sunak and Truss do seem to be a bit surprised by the real world effect of all their policy decisions - so I'm not convinced they have worked it all out in their heads and focus groups.

But what I do not accept is that this is all the product of an international conspiracy of super villains living in a cave in Switzerland or a bunker under Dallas - sending out instructions to their vast stable of acolytes running governments and corporations around the world.

The rich and powerful have shared interests that they promote - and they talk to each other and collaborate to maximise their profits, wealth, status and influence. The poor and dispossessed have similar shared interests and need to find ways to fight back.

That is the old capitalist/imperialist world order. Organ and Gluey like to overlay (often contradictory) plot lines that add nothing to our understanding of what happens and why - and have the effect of deflecting from what should be the real target.

Some brilliant mental gymnastics going on there!