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[the other bob wilson]

The Tories sometimes manage to pull 4 out of 10 voters and that's enough as the opposition is divided .

That still means that 6 out of 10 people who vote don't vote Tory

So if the tory stranglehold on power is to be loosened we need a decent labour party, a decent liberal party or a united opposition .

Put like that, it’s bleeding obvious that we need proportional representation not just to get the Tories out, but also to ensure a fairer representation of what the voters wanted.

[Forest Green Bluebird]

Put like that, it’s bleeding obvious that we need proportional representation not just to get the Tories out, but also to ensure a fairer representation of what the voters wanted.

Proportional representation is an electoral system in which the distribution of seats corresponds closely with the proportion of the total votes cast for each party. For example, if a party gained 40% of the total votes, a perfectly proportional system would allow them to gain 40% of the seats.

This would mean that lots of constituencies in a general election would be represented by an MP who failed to gain the most votes.

Would that be an acceptable scenario in your constituency?

[the other bob wilson]

Proportional representation is an electoral system in which the distribution of seats corresponds closely with the proportion of the total votes cast for each party. For example, if a party gained 40% of the total votes, a perfectly proportional system would allow them to gain 40% of the seats.

This would mean that lots of constituencies in a general election would be represented by an MP who failed to gain the most votes.

Would that be an acceptable scenario in your constituency?

I’d prefer that to .the current system where we always end up with Governments that around 40 per cent of the voters want.

Anyway, you’ve described one example of proportional representation there, there are others.

[WJ99mobile]

I’d prefer that to .the current system where we always end up with Governments that around 40 per cent of the voters want.

Anyway, you’ve described one example of proportional representation there, there are others.

I don’t see any other way of getting things done than first last the post.

All others lead to deadlock.

[Forest Green Bluebird]

I don’t see any other way of getting things done than first last the post.

All others lead to deadlock.

Back in 2019:

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Tories had 70 more seats that they would have done under ‘simple’ P.R.

Labour had 14 fewer.

Lib Dems were the party with the most to gripe about, given the share of their vote. However many of these votes cast for Lib Dems were probably protest votes i.e. anything but Tory or Labour.

Ditto for ‘Green’ voters.

SNP got more than they ‘deserved’.

The ‘rest’ are largely insignificant in terms of making an argument for P.R.

So basically 45% voted Tory and 45% voted Labour / Lib Dem.

Not sure whether P.R. would be that much fairer.

Chaos would ensue?

[PontBlue]

I don’t see any other way of getting things done than first last the post.

All others lead to deadlock.

Or compromise. Politics is too confrontational and increasingly too extreme so something needs to change.

[Forest Green Bluebird]

I’d prefer that to .the current system where we always end up with Governments that around 40 per cent of the voters want.

Anyway, you’ve described one example of proportional representation there, there are others.

I have analysed the 2019 Cardiff North results ... born and bred in Coryton!

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Even though 77% was not a bad turnout, it cannot be said that the Labour vote represented 49.5% of the Cardiff North electorate.

About 70% of those eligible to vote did not express a preference for the winning candidate ... although some would have done.

[jon1959]

Proportional representation is an electoral system in which the distribution of seats corresponds closely with the proportion of the total votes cast for each party. For example, if a party gained 40% of the total votes, a perfectly proportional system would allow them to gain 40% of the seats.

This would mean that lots of constituencies in a general election would be represented by an MP who failed to gain the most votes.

Would that be an acceptable scenario in your constituency?

Constituencies would have to change. PR would have a ripple effect right through the political system.

We could be into bigger constituencies backed up by regional lists for top-up MPs to achieve proportionality, or any of dozens of other models in use around the world that have been designed to achieve PR.

What can't work is 650 constituencies that operate just like now but with 'allocated MPs' from some national PR machine.

Although as others have said in most constituencies the sitting MP who 'represents the area' and does all the casework was not voted in by the majority of the electors.