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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Who are you expecting the family to be compensated by?
    Nantes or CCFC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    Nantes or CCFC
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Des Parrot View Post
    Why?

    If my employers have death in service insurance in place for the workforce - then I'm pretty sure football clubs have it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    If my employers have death in service insurance in place for the workforce - then I'm pretty sure football clubs have it too.
    Football clubs pay tens of thousands of pounds a week wages, does your employer do that too?

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    Re: Transfer- the emiliano sala story- new 9 part podcast on bbc sounds

    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    If my employers have death in service insurance in place for the workforce - then I'm pretty sure football clubs have it too.
    No football clubs wouldn't have death in service, the players are on short term contracts, it's down the players to look after themselves and families. And even if we did it would be directly with the insurance company nothing to do with Cardiff City or Nantes!

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    No football clubs wouldn't have death in service, the players are on short term contracts, it's down the players to look after themselves and families. And even if we did it would be directly with the insurance company nothing to do with Cardiff City or Nantes!
    Okay I stand corrected.....But I still believe that to do podcasts or make a film before the whole outcome is not cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    Okay I stand corrected.....But I still believe that to do podcasts or make a film before the whole outcome is not cool.
    Just as obits are already written in the main before an individual dies, the journalist concerned has probably sourced all the material required up until this particular juncture and some extra information will be added after the upcoming decision and before the podcast ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    No football clubs wouldn't have death in service, the players are on short term contracts, it's down the players to look after themselves and families. And even if we did it would be directly with the insurance company nothing to do with Cardiff City or Nantes!
    So if a club pays out £15m for a player, you don't think that they would want to protect their investment and interests by having the player insured against serious injury or death whilst he is employed by them ? Thats a nonsense to me and as far as I am aware most, if not all, clubs would have this type of cover and automatically add new players to it. That in effect is the crux of the argument here I think, if he was a Cardiff player he would be insured by us and if not he would be insured by Nantes. Who is liable ? Also if you make a claim on an employers insurance, you don't go direct to their insurance company, you submit the claim to the employers and they pass it on.

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    Re: Transfer- the emiliano sala story- new 9 part podcast on bbc sounds

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    So if a club pays out £15m for a player, you don't think that they would want to protect their investment and interests by having the player insured against serious injury or death whilst he is employed by them ? Thats a nonsense to me and as far as I am aware most, if not all, clubs would have this type of cover and automatically add new players to it. That in effect is the crux of the argument here I think, if he was a Cardiff player he would be insured by us and if not he would be insured by Nantes. Who is liable ? Also if you make a claim on an employers insurance, you don't go direct to their insurance company, you submit the claim to the employers and they pass it on.
    They would protect themselves yes so money would go to Cardiff City, but death in service goes to the family of the deceased, they wouldn't cover that?

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    Re: Transfer- the emiliano sala story- new 9 part podcast on bbc sounds

    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    If my employers have death in service insurance in place for the workforce - then I'm pretty sure football clubs have it too.
    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    No football clubs wouldn't have death in service, the players are on short term contracts, it's down the players to look after themselves and families. And even if we did it would be directly with the insurance company nothing to do with Cardiff City or Nantes!
    From several news stories over the past few years my understanding is that the PFA carries insurance for all UK players registered with them and pays out to the player or his/her family in the case of serious injury through to death. Stories like the one below claim that Sala's family would have been entitled to £600k (not sure if true or how a scale of payments is determined) but he hadn't ben registered with them at the time of his death.

    The story goes with the line that Cardiff made an admin error which meant the contract and registration were invalid or incomplete. I'm not sure about the Cardiff 'error', but the club has consistently argued that the contract was invalid and had to be amended and re-signed, and that was planned for the day after Sala returned to Cardiff from Nantes.

    https://m.allfootballapp.com/news/EP...-error/1109457

    'Players are automatically enrolled onto the Professional Footballers’ Association’s pension scheme when they are registered with the Premier League, and that includes a £600,000 fee to relatives for death-in-service.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    From several news stories over the past few years my understanding is that the PFA carries insurance for all UK players registered with them and pays out to the player or his/her family in the case of serious injury through to death. Stories like the one below claim that Sala's family would have been entitled to £600k (not sure if true or how a scale of payments is determined) but he hadn't ben registered with them at the time of his death.

    The story goes with the line that Cardiff made an admin error which meant the contract and registration were invalid or incomplete. I'm not sure about the Cardiff 'error', but the club has consistently argued that the contract was invalid and had to be amended and re-signed, and that was planned for the day after Sala returned to Cardiff from Nantes.

    https://m.allfootballapp.com/news/EP...-error/1109457

    'Players are automatically enrolled onto the Professional Footballers’ Association’s pension scheme when they are registered with the Premier League, and that includes a £600,000 fee to relatives for death-in-service.'
    Thanks for clearing that up Jon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    From several news stories over the past few years my understanding is that the PFA carries insurance for all UK players registered with them and pays out to the player or his/her family in the case of serious injury through to death. Stories like the one below claim that Sala's family would have been entitled to £600k (not sure if true or how a scale of payments is determined) but he hadn't ben registered with them at the time of his death.

    The story goes with the line that Cardiff made an admin error which meant the contract and registration were invalid or incomplete. I'm not sure about the Cardiff 'error', but the club has consistently argued that the contract was invalid and had to be amended and re-signed, and that was planned for the day after Sala returned to Cardiff from Nantes.

    https://m.allfootballapp.com/news/EP...-error/1109457

    'Players are automatically enrolled onto the Professional Footballers’ Association’s pension scheme when they are registered with the Premier League, and that includes a £600,000 fee to relatives for death-in-service.'
    OK fair enough I didn't know that but that sounds realistc. I didn't think the club it self would give players death in service benefits, why would they? But they would insure the players themselves as an asset of the club.

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    9 parts ?

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    Let me correct myself, there WAS something new on there that I wasn't aware of previously. His friends searched an island that was home to nothing but Puffins, and found a football. That is uncanny.

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    Re: Transfer- the emiliano sala story- new 9 part podcast on bbc sounds

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja View Post
    Let me correct myself, there WAS something new on there that I wasn't aware of previously. His friends searched an island that was home to nothing but Puffins, and found a football. That is uncanny.
    I remember that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja View Post
    Let me correct myself, there WAS something new on there that I wasn't aware of previously. His friends searched an island that was home to nothing but Puffins, and found a football. That is uncanny.
    Did anyone do a scouting report on the Puffins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    If my employers have death in service insurance in place for the workforce - then I'm pretty sure football clubs have it too.
    So that’s insurance rather than compensation then. The question then becomes who are the beneficiaries. Due to the timeframes involved and the nature of the transport used whether correct insurance was is place & expression of wish was in place.

    I know my employers/ insurers wouldn’t pay out in these circumstances as the mode of transport would not be approved.

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    Re: Transfer- the emiliano sala story- new 9 part podcast on bbc sounds

    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    If my employers have death in service insurance in place for the workforce - then I'm pretty sure football clubs have it too.
    But that is normal business insurance. It isn't "Compensation" which implies responsibility.

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    starts 10th aug

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    Re: Transfer- the emiliano sala story- new 9 part podcast on bbc sounds

    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    Nantes or CCFC
    What for? People die in tragic circumstances every day. If anyone should give compensation it should be the people responsible for the unlawful flight, and that is definitely not Cardiff City?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    What for? People die in tragic circumstances every day. If anyone should give compensation it should be the people responsible for the unlawful flight, and that is definitely not Cardiff City?
    Keep up at the Back XShaggle.....read the posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    Keep up at the Back XShaggle.....read the posts.
    Oh I do, trust me Pisperer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Oh I do, trust me Pisperer!
    Really!!!! So why asked when it's been covered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    Really!!!! So why asked when it's been covered?
    Oooooo you are upset aren't you? don't like being questioned? Big deal lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Oooooo you are upset aren't you? don't like being questioned? Big deal lol
    More bored than upset

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