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Thread: Terrible terrible Birmingham

  1. #26

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    The Southampton urban area is 900 k Cardiff , half that
    If you include Portsmouth maybe. Southampton's actual urban area is about 300k

  2. #27

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    If you include Portsmouth maybe. Southampton's actual urban area is about 300k
    No that's the population of the city of Southampton

    Including Portsmouth the metropolitan area of South Hampshire is 1 .6 million

  3. #28

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    One minute you’re saying we have a support base of over 1m, and are support is rubbish, now you’re saying it’s half

    Cardiff UDZ is over 1m.

    Bridgend 145,000
    Caerphilly 175,000
    Vale of Glamorgan 131,800
    Cardiff 370,000
    Torfaen 92,300
    RCT 237,000
    Merthyr 58,800
    That's the urban area of south east Wales, not the urban area of Cardiff......known as the Cardiff urban area

    That's 500 k , not 1 million which includes all those satellite towns like Bridgend and Merthyr which are 20 miles from Cardiff

    That's not the same as a built up urban area

  4. #29

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    No that's the population of the city of Southampton

    Including Portsmouth the metropolitan area of South Hampshire is 1 .6 million
    There is no local authority for S Hampshire, however the whole of Hampshire ( has 1.4 million population) but has Dorset to the west, Wiltshire to the north-west, Berkshire to the north, Surrey to the north-east, and West Sussex to the east.

  5. #30

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Cardiff Urban Area ....Cardiff and nearby built up areas ......479000

    Southampton ......800000

    Cardiff Metropolitan Area .......Cardiff , Newport , Bridgend , Valleys , Vale Of Glamorgan .....1 .1 million

    Southampton Portsmouth Metropolitan Area .....1.6 million

  6. #31

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Cardiff Urban Area ....Cardiff and nearby built up areas ......479000

    Southampton ......800000

    Cardiff Metropolitan Area .......Cardiff , Newport , Bridgend , Valleys , Vale Of Glamorgan .....1 .1 million

    Southampton Portsmouth Metropolitan Area .....1.6 million
    Wrong , I’m looking at the 2021 census

  7. #32

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    No that's the population of the city of Southampton

    Including Portsmouth the metropolitan area of South Hampshire is 1 .6 million
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Hampshire

    Southampton & Portsmouth are in the same urban area.

  8. #33

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    There is no local authority for S Hampshire, however the whole of Hampshire ( has 1.4 million population) but has Dorset to the west, Wiltshire to the north-west, Berkshire to the north, Surrey to the north-east, and West Sussex to the east.
    There's no local authority for Cardiff, the Vale, the valleys, Bridgend but its known as the Cardiff metropolitan area , about 800000, 1.1 million including Newport

    South Hampshire .....Southampton and Portsmouth, 1.6 million

    If we take just Southampton, the city , together with the built up area around it .....the Southampton urban area is about twice the size of Cardiff

    Cardiff as a football club has the valleys , Bridgend, the Vale of Glamorgan etc within driving distance but they are not part of Cardiffs urban area ....25 miles away in some cases

  9. #34

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Hampshire

    Southampton & Portsmouth are in the same urban area.
    That's a metropolitan conurbation .....they merge

    Cardiff and Newport and the valleys and Bridgend don't join ......not yet anyway

  10. #35

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Wrong , I’m looking at the 2021 census
    Don't engage with him. He's been argumentative and somewhat shell-shocked since Monday evening.

    He predicted "The 'Pool" would trounce Crystal Palace 5-0 (and that was just at halftime) and has had a cob on since they flopped. He was supremely confident before their opening fixture at Fulham as well.

    Gloom has descended upon the Cowbridge smut king's abode.

  11. #36

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Wrong , I’m looking at the 2021 census
    You are wrong

    Southampton urban area 800k
    Cardiff 450 or so

    Cardiff is bigger as a city but smaller as an urban area

    Nottingham , Newcastle .........both smaller cities than Cardiff ......but far bigger urban built up areas

    It makes me laugh when people think Cardiff.....is bigger than .....Newcastle

    As a dot on the map maybe but the urban expanse is huge . Go to Newcastle or Nottingham or Southampton , go around the places

    Far bigger than Cardiff

    South Hampshire is the name given to the population of the Southampton, Portsmouth built up area ..1. 6 million ......that's bigger than the south Wales built up area

    You said Hampshire has a population of 1.6 million .......that's only Southampton and Portsmouth.....

  12. #37

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    2021 census doesn’t mention S Hampshire, so perhaps they have changed the boundaries

    Portsmouth 208,100 104,900 103,200
    Southampton 249,000 124,000 125,000
    Wealden 160,100 83,000 77,100
    Hampshire 1,400,800 716,000 684,700
    Basingstoke and Deane 185,200 93,500 91,700
    East Hampshire 125,700 64,700 61,000
    Eastleigh 136,400 69,700 66,700
    Fareham 114,500 58,700 55,800
    Gosport 81,900 41,800 40,100
    Hart 99,400 50,300 49,100
    Havant 124,200 64,200 60,000
    New Forest 175,800 91,200 84,500

  13. #38

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    You are wrong

    Southampton urban area 800k
    Cardiff 450 or so

    Cardiff is bigger as a city but smaller as an urban area

    Nottingham , Newcastle .........both smaller cities than Cardiff ......but far bigger urban built up areas

    It makes me laugh when people think Cardiff.....is bigger than .....Newcastle

    As a dot on the map maybe but the urban expanse is huge . Go to Newcastle or Nottingham or Southampton , go around the places

    Far bigger than Cardiff

    South Hampshire is the name given to the population of the Southampton, Portsmouth built up area ..1. 6 million ......that's bigger than the south Wales built up area

    You said Hampshire has a population of 1.6 million .......that's only Southampton and Portsmouth.....
    So, as Cities go, Cardiff is bigger than Nottingham and Newcastle?

  14. #39

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    That's a metropolitan conurbation .....they merge

    Cardiff and Newport and the valleys and Bridgend don't join ......not yet anyway
    "In the 2001 census Portsmouth and Southampton were recorded as being parts of separate urban areas however by the time of the 2011 census they had merged to become the sixth largest built-up area in England with a population of 855,569"

    The figure you're quoting as being Southampton's urban area also includes Portsmouth. The total urban population of Southampton in 2001 was 304,000 so either it's trebled in 20 years or they've included Portsmouth since 2011, which seems more likely?

    This map: https://www.citypopulation.de/en/uk/cities/englandua/ shows the urban area, it includes Portsmouth

  15. #40

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Cardiff apparently is around 400,000 as a city , in 2022

    Population change in certain areas may reflect how the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic affected people's choice of usual residence on Census Day, for example, students in Cardiffs case and in other urban areas of the city itself people were not at home.

  16. #41

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    "In the 2001 census Portsmouth and Southampton were recorded as being parts of separate urban areas however by the time of the 2011 census they had merged to become the sixth largest built-up area in England with a population of 855,569"

    The figure you're quoting as being Southampton's urban area also includes Portsmouth. The total urban population of Southampton in 2001 was 304,000 so either it's trebled in 20 years or they've included Portsmouth since 2011, which seems more likely?

    This map: https://www.citypopulation.de/en/uk/cities/englandua/ shows the urban area, it includes Portsmouth
    No the Pompey Southampton urban area is 1.6 million .......South Hampshire

    Of that 1.6 million , about 900k ....a lot bigger than Cardiffs urban area ........make up Southamptons urban area

    The city of Southampton, like Newcastle, Nottingham isn't that big ...but it's urban area is bigger than Cardiff ......same as Newcastle urban area and Nottingham urban area

  17. #42

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    So, as Cities go, Cardiff is bigger than Nottingham and Newcastle?
    Well the town centre where you go to primark might be but not the wider urban area

  18. #43

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    No the Pompey Southampton urban area is 1.6 million .......South Hampshire

    Of that 1.6 million , about 900k ....a lot bigger than Cardiffs urban area ........make up Southamptons urban area

    The city of Southampton, like Newcastle, Nottingham isn't that big ...but it's urban area is bigger than Cardiff ......same as Newcastle urban area and Nottingham urban area
    Even if it was bigger than Cardiff (urban area ) which I’d argue it isn’t the area you are talking about has a significantly higher amount of people aged 60-90 compared to the Cardiff Urban Area,so it could be argued that would impact support.

  19. #44

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Even if it was bigger than Cardiff (urban area ) which I’d argue it isn’t the area you are talking about has a significantly higher amount of people aged 60-90 compared to the Cardiff Urban Area,so it could be argued that would impact support.
    To be fair the Southampton fans I have met are usually grey haired and puffing on pipes

    And that's just the women

  20. #45

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    To be fair the Southampton fans I have met are usually grey haired and puffing on pipes

    And that's just the women
    Statistics hey

  21. #46

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo View Post
    Up to third as it stands.
    Down to 18th as it stands, beaten at home by Wigan, who played with ten men for 80 minutes.

  22. #47

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    I thought they were poor .

    Bottom 6 club..

    Troy won't save em

  23. #48

    Re: Terrible terrible Birmingham

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I thought they were poor .

    Bottom 6 club..

    Troy won't save em
    Deeney was one of their worst players at the CCS, past it.

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