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  1. #1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doucas View Post
    I don't understand why we've been so reliant on foreign energy sources, how no government has tackled this over the past 30 years I'll never know.
    Isn't the truly mad thing that the single most likely way out of this, massive investment in green energy, is still being trashed as a cause of the energy crisis rather than the cure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Isn't the truly mad thing that the single most likely way out of this, massive investment in green energy, is still being trashed as a cause of the energy crisis rather than the cure.
    That will take years to make an impact, not like you can spend money on ne technology and have it up and running by the weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    Manager at a bar/restaurant. We’ve got 17 members of staff so we’re only a small business.

    The frustrating thing is it’s absolutely no one’s fault. I’ve worked at and know of businesses that have ceased to exist in the past and it’s always been due to poor management, bad owners, non viable business plan, etc. But even if we do everything by the book to the best we can, it’s out of our hands.

    Another concern is that for places like us, this isn’t just a winter issue. Our energy usage is pretty consistent throughout the year so we can’t just “get through the winter” and enjoy lower expenses in spring/summer.
    It's only really dawned on me recently how doubly ****ed hospitality is going to be, significantly lower average household disposable income (if not minus) coupled with absolutely massive energy bills and no way to lower them.

    Feel for you and anybody else in this situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    It's only really dawned on me recently how doubly ****ed hospitality is going to be, significantly lower average household disposable income (if not minus) coupled with absolutely massive energy bills and no way to lower them.

    Feel for you and anybody else in this situation.

    Yes it's going to be really difficult in the coming year or two, although it still seems pretty busy at the moment, and the rises don't seem to have filtered through to lower priced second hands cars, ebikes, mountain bikes, I thought people would have started selling items they can do without or that bought during the lockdown but are no longer using?

    Maybe that will be during the Winter and the next year or two?

    I have heard there are lots of dogs going into pounds as people are finding feeding and vet bills are too expensive, so unfortunately a lot are in need of vet treatments.

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    just had my estimate in for the same kwh usage as last year it has moved from £635 pa to £916 thats for a 3 bed semi radiators in every room ,shower rather than bath use for 2 and weekend visitors and stop overs ie grand kids ..

    My electricity bill is now £104 a month up from £64 ...

    I am sure I can control each better ..

    Lets see how many Xmas lights go up this year ?? ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    just had my estimate in for the same kwh usage as last year it has moved from £635 pa to £916 thats for a 3 bed semi radiators in every room ,shower rather than bath use for 2 and weekend visitors and stop overs ie grand kids ..

    My electricity bill is now £104 a month up from £64 ...

    I am sure I can control each better ..

    Lets see how many Xmas lights go up this year ?? ..
    Use candles instead of electric lighting.

    Don't cook anything; serve food rare.

    In preparation for late autumn and much of winter, invest in onesies for all the family.

    Should you remain cold, run on the spot as fast as is necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Use candles instead of electric lighting.

    Don't cook anything; serve food rare.

    In preparation for late autumn and much of winter, invest in onesies for all the family.

    Should you remain cold, run on the spot as fast as is necessary.
    If you're single do what the Native Americans on the Plains used to do - find yourself the fattest squaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    Closure of profit making coal mines.
    Fracking applictions refused
    Closure of nuclear power plants due to green levies
    Social and environmental obligation costs added to bills
    We are building more nuclear power plants. The only reason any are closing is it would cost too much to bring them up to standard. Sizewell B is going through a lifetime extension as we speak. What green levies affect nuclear power?

    Closing coal mines and not allowing fracking seems sensible.

    Do makes you think it’s an agenda? Rather than sensible long term thinking ?

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    If we'd built the Severn barrage that would have had a major effect on renewable sources of energy, but it keeps getting squashed whenever its raised as an idea.

  10. #10

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityhammer View Post
    If we'd built the Severn barrage that would have had a major effect on renewable sources of energy, but it keeps getting squashed whenever its raised as an idea.
    tidal power is so obvious it beggars belief that we dither and don't just get on with it. with massive tides in the Severn estuary there's a lot of energy to be had and unlike wind the tide is there constantly unless the moon sods off.

    this government needs a boot up the rear and frankly most politicians wouldn't get employment in private industry as they bring nothing but hot air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityhammer View Post
    If we'd built the Severn barrage that would have had a major effect on renewable sources of energy, but it keeps getting squashed whenever its raised as an idea.
    Yep. The environmentalists have a lot to answer for. Birds seem to be their priority. They also scuppered the scheme to deal with the appalling M4 traffic problems around Newport. I had some minor involvement on work relating to the Barrage as far back as 1970 but now the scheme, despite efforts to revive it, seems dead in the water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    Yep. The environmentalists have a lot to answer for. Birds seem to be their priority. They also scuppered the scheme to deal with the appalling M4 traffic problems around Newport. I had some minor involvement on work relating to the Barrage as far back as 1970 but now the scheme, despite efforts to revive it, seems dead in the water.
    I'm not against protecting the Environment but sometimes these tree huggers need to get real and see the big picture.

    Were we in France the barrage would be up and running. Viva la Republic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityhammer View Post
    If we'd built the Severn barrage that would have had a major effect on renewable sources of energy, but it keeps getting squashed whenever its raised as an idea.
    It will happen one day, reckon it will be about 2050…..knowing the uk governments

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    It will happen one day, reckon it will be about 2050…..knowing the uk governments
    ..within budget, too.

  15. #15

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    It's almost like you are trying to sort out our striker problem and the gas energy problem at the same time.

  16. #16

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    Imagine if it was like the old days, you’d need a low loader for the bob bits after doing your gas & electric meters.

  17. #17

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    Shell energy rang me and asked if I'd like a smart meter?I said how I how smart is it,Will it bypass the meter ?

  18. #18

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    The government has a moral duty to look after people disproportionately hit by this fuel crisis

    To see sunak and the other idiots scrapping like ferrets in a plastic bag over who will do most is embarrassing

    If it takes several years of propping up those in greatest need then that must be done as it was with furlough .

    No questions , get on with it .

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    The government has a moral duty to look after people disproportionately hit by this fuel crisis

    To see sunak and the other idiots scrapping like ferrets in a plastic bag over who will do most is embarrassing

    If it takes several years of propping up those in greatest need then that must be done as it was with furlough .

    No questions , get on with it .
    you crack me up

  20. #20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doucas View Post
    I don't understand why we've been so reliant on foreign energy sources, how no government has tackled this over the past 30 years I'll never know.
    Because NIMBYs are the most powerful force in British politics. They're up in arms wherever the government decides to build a new nuclear power station or wind farm. The Lib Dems were able to overturn a Conservative majority of 16,000 in Chesham and Amersham by opposing HS2 and planning reform. No government would survive upsetting NIMBYs all over the country.

  21. #21

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy View Post
    Because NIMBYs are the most powerful force in British politics. They're up in arms wherever the government decides to build a new nuclear power station or wind farm. The Lib Dems were able to overturn a Conservative majority of 16,000 in Chesham and Amersham by opposing HS2 and planning reform. No government would survive upsetting NIMBYs all over the country.
    We live in a world surrounded by technological developments and yet for some inexplicable reason our leaders have decided that it's preferable to source power for homes, businesses, hospitals etc. on windmills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    We live in a world surrounded by technological developments and yet for some inexplicable reason our leaders have decided that it's preferable to source power for homes, businesses, hospitals etc. on windmills.
    Yes because we are running out of fossil fuel. It is the biggest challenge affecting the world, and it’s my job. We have also ruined the planet and now it is probably too late but, we need to do something. The main issue with renewable power is that you can’t store the energy as well, or run it whenever you need it, like you can with coal etc. Wind power is good, and the wind is free.

    Re relying on Russian gas, we have all sat on our hands and pretended this wasn’t happening while private businesses have made massive profits. Alternative power stations cost billions. State investment was required, or forcing private companies to act, but that’s not happened either.

  23. #23

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    Yes because we are running out of fossil fuel. It is the biggest challenge affecting the world, and it’s my job. We have also ruined the planet and now it is probably too late but, we need to do something. The main issue with renewable power is that you can’t store the energy as well, or run it whenever you need it, like you can with coal etc. Wind power is good, and the wind is free.

    Re relying on Russian gas, we have all sat on our hands and pretended this wasn’t happening while private businesses have made massive profits. Alternative power stations cost billions. State investment was required, or forcing private companies to act, but that’s not happened either.
    But that sort of infrastructure would have incurred huge capital outlay or some PPP which would cost a arm and leg in the long run.

    I believe that infrastructure is vital however I can see why no government had the balls to do it

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    But that sort of infrastructure would have incurred huge capital outlay or some PPP which would cost a arm and leg in the long run.

    I believe that infrastructure is vital however I can see why no government had the balls to do it
    And that's why we are where we are.

  25. #25

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    Yes because we are running out of fossil fuel. It is the biggest challenge affecting the world, and it’s my job. We have also ruined the planet and now it is probably too late but, we need to do something. The main issue with renewable power is that you can’t store the energy as well, or run it whenever you need it, like you can with coal etc. Wind power is good, and the wind is free.

    Re relying on Russian gas, we have all sat on our hands and pretended this wasn’t happening while private businesses have made massive profits. Alternative power stations cost billions. State investment was required, or forcing private companies to act, but that’s not happened either.
    We're not running out of fossil fuel - there's more than ever that can be reached [not fracking]. Exon has just discovered 3 new fields, and technology means we can get at it whereas before we couldn't.

    Wind is free, but wind turbines aren't. They lose 4-5% efficiency pa. They cost £millions to produce, they use up energy to produce, they impact on the environment by stopping the flow of winds, and they're heavily subsidized. 25 -30% aren't working due to breakdown at any one time. And, if it isn't windy you get f. all !

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