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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    We're not running out of fossil fuel - there's more than ever that can be reached [not fracking]. Exon has just discovered 3 new fields, and technology means we can get at it whereas before we couldn't.

    Wind is free, but wind turbines aren't. They lose 4-5% efficiency pa. They cost £millions to produce, they use up energy to produce, they impact on the environment by stopping the flow of winds, and they're heavily subsidized. 25 -30% aren't working due to breakdown at any one time. And, if it isn't windy you get f. all !
    But those new fields are also more expensive to reach than the ones we currently use.

    If you're bringing up expense for wind power then it's only fair to also acknowledge that for fossil fuels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    We're not running out of fossil fuel - there's more than ever that can be reached [not fracking]. Exon has just discovered 3 new fields, and technology means we can get at it whereas before we couldn't.

    Wind is free, but wind turbines aren't. They lose 4-5% efficiency pa. They cost £millions to produce, they use up energy to produce, they impact on the environment by stopping the flow of winds, and they're heavily subsidized. 25 -30% aren't working due to breakdown at any one time. And, if it isn't windy you get f. all !
    People's taps have set on fire due to fracking. Respectfully, no thanks you. Fracking is extremely damaging to the planet and immediately, as well. It is a hard pass. Speak to anyone in the industry that isn't going to get big bucks from it.

    I know if it isn't windy you get f all, that's the problem. That's the biggest challenge the energy industry is facing but it isn't because of some namby pamby lefties as you'd like to believe. Personally, I prefer my water not on fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    We live in a world surrounded by technological developments and yet for some inexplicable reason our leaders have decided that it's preferable to source power for homes, businesses, hospitals etc. on windmills.
    It’s because they’re efficient, quick to install and relatively cheap. Currently about 25% of our electricity comes from them, a massive increase just from building a load offshore.

    What’s your issue with them? What more technologically advanced energy source would you go with?

  4. #4

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder’s Mam View Post
    It’s because they’re efficient, quick to install and relatively cheap. Currently about 25% of our electricity comes from them, a massive increase just from building a load offshore.

    What’s your issue with them? What more technologically advanced energy source would you go with?
    Apart from my reply to PDLR, you need power stations to back them up when it's not windy.

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    Re: Gas Price

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    Apart from my reply to PDLR, you need power stations to back them up when it's not windy.
    There are lots of very clever ways of storing energy generated from renewable sources to make them more reliable ("portfolio dispatchable"). It doesn't need to be windy all of the time for the UK to source a lot of its energy needs relatively inexpensively from renewables. Using a portfolio approach to renewable generation effectively makes for a renewable system that doesn't need nuclear/fossil fuel backups.

    In Arizona, one power company pumps water "backwards" in the middle of the night using excess power that nobody wants to then generate hydroelectric power during the peak times of the following day. Another company stores solar-generated power using molten salt so available supply better fits the local load curve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    Apart from my reply to PDLR, you need power stations to back them up when it's not windy.
    That’s why we are building nuclear power stations

  7. #7

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder’s Mam View Post
    That’s why we are building nuclear power stations
    Are we ? They're planned.

  8. #8

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    Are we ? They're planned.
    Yes. Hinkley Point - £4bn already spent and Sizewell C received planning permission in July 2022.

  9. #9

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    Sizewell B going through A 10 year life time extension too. And Rolls Royce small modular reactors have recently started the generic design phase.

  10. #10

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    Still surprises me with all the problems that come with it that people are pro fracking.

    And with how quickly we’ve put up offshore wind farms that people are anti wind farm.

  11. #11

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    Gas price fallen back a little today - seems yesterday's huge rise was the announcement of unscheduled maintenance on the Nordstream gas pipeline announced by Russia.

    They have our continent over a barrel and even though we get very little from Russia we are massively impacted.

  12. #12

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    You can save £80 a year by turning thermostat by one degree..
    Turn off ones you don't need save more ..

    Check your tariff I saved 30 bucks a year ..by switching with my own provider ..

  13. #13

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    As I was saying earlier in the thread:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business...rgy-costs-soar

    “More than 70% of pubs do not expect to survive winter as energy costs soar”

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    Re: Gas Price

    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    As I was saying earlier in the thread:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business...rgy-costs-soar

    “More than 70% of pubs do not expect to survive winter as energy costs soar”
    Lot's of pubs do a meal and a drink for £10 -£11, in January it might be cheaper for some to go to the pub, nurse a drink for hours watch the football, rather than eating at home and heating the house?

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    Lot's of pubs do a meal and a drink for £10 -£11, in January it might be cheaper for some to go to the pub, nurse a drink for hours watch the football, rather than eating at home and heating the house?
    It'll be cheaper to have a gym membership and then the nation can become healthier as well as save on heating and eating.

  16. #16

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    A mix of nimbyism, green agenda and party politics
    Beat me to it , the negative approach to Nuclear power by us and Europe has created a super power country of fuel supply as it uses it to cling onto its past , and that arrogant country has put two fingers up to the world .. feck the Motherland and its evilness and anyone who supports them as folk in Europe will die not just in Ukraine because of fuel poverty , no matter how much dosh we chuck at it ..

    This lot below are probably to blame: Socialist International, Greenpeace, Germany , and other liberal ideological left parties .. who assume they do it for the future whilst the poor look on and wonder how they will cope in this high end expensive drive to zero carbon or more flecking windmills..

  17. #17

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    If you're single do what the Native Americans on the Plains used to do - find yourself the fattest squaw.
    And own 3 dogs for close warm sleeping..

  18. #18

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    Save time boiling water water for tea by pre-heating it in a pan first.
    To save electricity and using all your own tea and coffee as well as your own body energy ... go visit friends and use theirs instead
    To avoid costly electric bills using your hair drier, ask the mother-in-law round for a chat after your shower.

  19. #19

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    Another idea join a gym lowest monthly fee .. you see lots of lads using the facilities before work and you keep fit .

  20. #20

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Another idea join a gym lowest monthly fee .. you see lots of lads using the facilities before work and you keep fit .
    feck orf! You just want to see our packages

  21. #21

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    Just listened to a radio phone in on LBC. It's amazing to me that some people think that because we don't get much gas (nil last month) from Russia, prices in the UK shouldn't rise. The simple fact is that, as supply diminishes, demand increases with resultant rise in prices as gas is bought internationally. It's a simple fact that the war in Ukraine has had a massive affect on prices. However, even prior to the war, there were warnings in the Press that prices would rise but not to the extent they have. Whichever way you look at it, governments historically have taken the lazy way out by purchasing gas from Russia instead of developing their own power sources. One thing seems clear to me is that high energy prices are here to stay and I cannot see how any government here and overseas can do much about it in the short to medium term. If the public want to be subsidised, and given cash handouts, to compensate the inevitable consequence is higher taxes.

  22. #22

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    Just listened to a radio phone in on LBC. It's amazing to me that some people think that because we don't get much gas (nil last month) from Russia, prices in the UK shouldn't rise. The simple fact is that, as supply diminishes, demand increases with resultant rise in prices as gas is bought internationally. It's a simple fact that the war in Ukraine has had a massive affect on prices. However, even prior to the war, there were warnings in the Press that prices would rise but not to the extent they have. Whichever way you look at it, governments historically have taken the lazy way out by purchasing gas from Russia instead of developing their own power sources. One thing seems clear to me is that high energy prices are here to stay and I cannot see how any government here and overseas can do much about it in the short to medium term. If the public want to be subsidised, and given cash handouts, to compensate the inevitable consequence is higher taxes.
    Couldn't agree more. Although I'm sure sanity will return to the energy market in due course, but perhaps never as cheap as we have seen it.

    All a bit sensible for CCMB.

  23. #23

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    Wouldn’t it be nice if the energy companies gives their EXCESS profit back to the customers, I know it wouldn’t happen, but it might make Putins energy war pointless? It’s basically the only thing the lunatic has got to dangle over Europe anyway…..

  24. #24

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    Wouldn’t it be nice if the energy companies gives their EXCESS profit back to the customers, I know it wouldn’t happen, but it might make Putins energy war pointless? It’s basically the only thing the lunatic has got to dangle over Europe anyway…..
    Isn't it only the energy producers that are making large sums of money and that is not primarily from domestic supply? The rest make very little; hence the number of energy companies that went broke including two of the companies that I used. And those that do make huge profits are taxed at the rate of around 65% due to the Tories version of the windfall tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    If you're single do what the Native Americans on the Plains used to do - find yourself the fattest squaw.
    Is it an absolute requirement that you are single and are you restricted to just the one squaw? Just asking.

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