Too much Gas

[William Treseder’s Mam]

Godwin's Law has been triggered.
You lose the argument.

Hasn’t Godwin said politics has gone to such shit that it doesn’t even work any more

[Citizen's Nephew]

Hasn’t Godwin said politics has gone to such shit that it doesn’t even work any more

Ironically, in any thread about Gas, Boyle's law still applies though.

[life on mars]

People voted for Brexit for a lot of reasons. I think the vast majority were influenced by their dislike of immigration and Polish plumbers, a feeling of alienation that they were persuaded was the fault of European bureaucratic elites (the tabloid press ran a 50 year campaign that to no one’s surprise worked) and a belief that the UK was subsidising others and the money could be better used at home (the NHS lie on Johnson’s bus).

But there were also a number of people on the left who voted Brexit in a re-run of the 1970s referendum. I know a lot who still think the EU is the EEC bosses club. I think they are wrong as do the majority of the labour movement who campaigned for Remain in 2016, but against joining in the 1970s. It is still a capitalist bloc but the social, environmental and employment protections that have been achieved (often by pan-European campaigns by civic and trade union groups) are worth holding onto.

In my opinion the main objective of the Leave campaign (not their voters) was to create a low regulation economy and an even more insecure and demoralised workforce, for the benefit of employers and shareholders. The Dennis Skinner’s of our world who voted Leave didn’t want that but made it more likely.

It's called democracy

[Wales-Bales]

The position the UK is in with regard to mitigating energy costs lies squarely with its government which has completely failed to plan and investment in a coherent energy strategy.

Or maybe they planned for this very scenario?

[William Treseder’s Mam]

It's called democracy

Is it true democracy when the billionaires who own the national newspapers are allowed to print complete lies and the politicians are allowed to parrot them with no consequence?

[Claude Blue]

I agree that Doucas has gone over a line a few times in this thread with language that cannot be justified, but please save us from the one eyed sanctimonious bollux that you and James specialise in.

You were happy to leave Goslow’s Grenfell candle burning on the site for weeks and you have no concern for racist, Nazi propaganda taking root. Not a squeak!

But if someone goes OTT in challenging your core conservative beliefs you get a touch of the vapours! Citizens Nephew is right. As is Splot Parker and Paul Evans. This is a thread that has focused on the selfish decisions of a generation with relative political and financial power - screwing the world for those that come after. Many of us on both sides of the argument are part of that generation and some of us share a sense of responsibility and shame.

And to repeat what others have said, Doucas is not wishing death on individuals of a certain age, but a generational change so that other values and priorities might come to the top. It will happen naturally. You don’t have to feel so personally offended by the prospect!

Best post this year.

[Jordi Culé]

Reading this thread, I'll guess that JamesWails nuance radar is on the blip again or he's outraged by words which in reality mean phuck all in the bigger scheme of things.

Strange that a bloke who more or less demanded scrutiny and had a verbal pop over a 16 year old kid has a hissy fit over someone calling him nasty names.

What a phucking wuss!

Am I allowed to say that?

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Reading this thread, I'll guess that JamesWails nuance radar is on the blip again or he's outraged by words which in reality mean phuck all in the bigger scheme of things.

Strange that a bloke who more or less demanded scrutiny and had a verbal pop over a 16 year old kid has a hissy fit over someone calling him nasty names.

What a phucking wuss!

Am I allowed to say that?

'16yr old kid' ??? Who are we referring to here ?

[the other bob wilson]

They do. They (we, or many of us) become more reflective and concerned about what they will eventually leave behind for the next generation. What impact, if any they and their peers have made on society. As evidenced (and misunderstood by some of the younger posters) on some of the posts I see on this forum.
But hey, we at least got to see Buchanan's 40 yard screamer and can occasionally celebrate going the whole night without getting up to have a wee.

Speak for yourself

[Jordi Culé]

'16yr old kid' ??? Who are we referring to here ?

Greta Thunberg, patsy for the Green Agenda, backed by a multi national to bring down our way of life as we know it.

She's quasi religious apparently.

He wasn't too fussed on being scrutinised himself then.

James is far too sensitive for a man who frequently not shy in calling others out.

Then hides behind his so called morals.

Phucking blouse.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Greta Thunberg, patsy for the Green Agenda, backed by a multi national to bring down our way of life as we know it.

She's quasi religious apparently.

He wasn't too fussed on being scrutinised himself then.

James is far too sensitive for a man who frequently not shy in calling others out.

Then hides behind his so called morals.

Phucking blouse.

The way all those world leaders were drooling over her gooey eyed, was a bit creepy though.

[jeepster]

Best post this year.

With out a doubt

[lardy]

The way all those world leaders were drooling over her gooey eyed, was a bit creepy though.

This is a bit weird to be honest, imagining that this happened.

[splott parker]

It's called democracy

Brain washing & scaremongering & also downright lying is not democracy.

[JamesWales]

Greta Thunberg, patsy for the Green Agenda, backed by a multi national to bring down our way of life as we know it.

She's quasi religious apparently.

He wasn't too fussed on being scrutinised himself then.

James is far too sensitive for a man who frequently not shy in calling others out.

Then hides behind his so called morals.

Phucking blouse.

I'm not sensitive, I just think casually making generalisations, wishing a generation to die out, calling people scum, nazis etc is not on. He is talking about people and their families, and people don't come on here to read that. This is a football messageboard, with a load of politics. It's normal to read that stuff and see it defended by others.

You, like others, are just inconsistent on that because you share (st least some of) his wider view...

...and his wider view is very left-wing, and thats fine. I'd expect most to have some agreement with his points (which I struggle to find much substance of beneath the abuse). It's not the argument, it's how he makes it and he never uses reason or data, it is always abuse and rhetoric.

A discussion on gas prices and he posts some utterly random utility bill from an unknown nordic country and then goes on to call people fascists and nazis and selfish scum.

That is not normal and not on and it is absolutely right it is called out. If others are okay with that kind of abuse and poison online then so be it, but you are only poisoning the well you also drink from

[JamesWales]

Brain washing & scaremongering & also downright lying is not democracy.

Both sides can be accused of that. We were told house prices would crash, there would be mass unemployment and the stock market would decline if we voted to leave. None of that happened. How many voted to remain based on that?

[JamesWales]

I agree that Doucas has gone over a line a few times in this thread with language that cannot be justified, but please save us from the one eyed sanctimonious bollux that you and James specialise in.

You were happy to leave Goslow’s Grenfell candle burning on the site for weeks and you have no concern for racist, Nazi propaganda taking root. Not a squeak!

But if someone goes OTT in challenging your core conservative beliefs you get a touch of the vapours! Citizens Nephew is right. As is Splot Parker and Paul Evans. This is a thread that has focused on the selfish decisions of a generation with relative political and financial power - screwing the world for those that come after. Many of us on both sides of the argument are part of that generation and some of us share a sense of responsibility and shame.

And to repeat what others have said, Doucas is not wishing death on individuals of a certain age, but a generational change so that other values and priorities might come to the top. It will happen naturally. You don’t have to feel so personally offended by the prospect!

1 - Agree. He has gone over the line a few times, and it's good he was called out on it and good to see others point this out too. You are right, some of his language cannot be justified.

2 - I'm not sure calling out online abuse is sanctimonious bollocks, given the impact it can have on people, but that's your opinion I guess.

3 - No idea what you are on about with Grenfell candles and especially not Nazi propaganda. You can't casually accuse people of that with absolutely no basis to what you are saying. I will criticise the German National Socialist Workers party (which ceased to exist 75 years ago) at every chance I can. Where has anyone ever defended them on here?

4 - Core conservative beliefs? What are they? This is a thread about gas prices. Not that it's your business but in the most recent council elections I voted one labour and one tory. What I am not is 'far left', but I do not have core conservative beliefs and I suspect I am far more liberal and open minded than you. I am a pragmatist and this thread was about that.

5 - The thread wasn't about the selfish decisions of a generation, it was about gas prices. Start up a second thread on that if you like, and hopefully you will all be able to listen to different views without resorting to insults. It would be an interesting thread, there was an article on the very topic in the SUnday Times yesterday. FWIW, I don't agree with the triple-lock pension and agree that too much wealth and power currently rests in land assets, owned disproportionately by the wealthy. You gonna share your lot a bit more?

6 - As I said, we know Doucas almost certainly doesn't mean this literally, but language does matter. You understand that when something is used against you or one of your beliefs, you just don't apply the same courtesy to others.

7 - I am personally offended when Doucas posts the bile he does. Partly because he does personally insult me (although his characterisations are absurd, and I was born in the 80s so it's merely another example of something he is wrong about) but also he insults people I care about.

[life on mars]

Is it true democracy when the billionaires who own the national newspapers are allowed to print complete lies and the politicians are allowed to parrot them with no consequence?

I'm not sure what media outlets you refer to but it was fairly recognised the big players were remain and project fear was a thing , both sides spouted untruths that's politics, we would still be in Europe if Mr Corbyn had shown some enthusiasm , truth ,swallowed his pride and truly engaged with the remain arguments..and campaign.. once ideological gets in Labour's way ..

[Hilts]

A far left poster v a far right poster and this is what you get.😂😂😂

[life on mars]

1 - Agree. He has gone over the line a few times, and it's good he was called out on it and good to see others point this out too. You are right, some of his language cannot be justified.

2 - I'm not sure calling out online abuse is sanctimonious bollocks, given the impact it can have on people, but that's your opinion I guess.

3 - No idea what you are on about with Grenfell candles and especially not Nazi propaganda. You can't casually accuse people of that with absolutely no basis to what you are saying. I will criticise the German National Socialist Workers party (which ceased to exist 75 years ago) at every chance I can. Where has anyone ever defended them on here?

4 - Core conservative beliefs? What are they? This is a thread about gas prices. Not that it's your business but in the most recent council elections I voted one labour and one tory. What I am not is 'far left', but I do not have core conservative beliefs and I suspect I am far more liberal and open minded than you. I am a pragmatist and this thread was about that.

5 - The thread wasn't about the selfish decisions of a generation, it was about gas prices. Start up a second thread on that if you like, and hopefully you will all be able to listen to different views without resorting to insults. It would be an interesting thread, there was an article on the very topic in the SUnday Times yesterday. FWIW, I don't agree with the triple-lock pension and agree that too much wealth and power currently rests in land assets, owned disproportionately by the wealthy. You gonna share your lot a bit more?

6 - As I said, we know Doucas almost certainly doesn't mean this literally, but language does matter. You understand that when something is used against you or one of your beliefs, you just don't apply the same courtesy to others.

7 - I am personally offended when Doucas posts the bile he does. Partly because he does personally insult me (although his characterisations are absurd, and I was born in the 80s so it's merely another example of something he is wrong about) but also he insults people I care about.

If you don't support thier beliefs your a Tory, refrain from other view's challenged critising or your a red faced gammon and will be met by vile language and personal attacks ,welcome to he nasty side of socialism.. and alleged freedom of speech.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

It's called democracy

It's called power.

[JamesWales]

If you don't support thier beliefs your a Tory, refrain from other view's challenged critising or your a red faced gammon and will be met by vile language and personal attacks ,welcome to he nasty side of socialism.. and alleged freedom of speech.

Unfortunately so with some.

Although you'll be lucky if it's just a Tory you are called. I have literallly been accused of defending fascism at every turn in this thread.

Jesus, it's like a Little Britain sketch or something out of viz.

[William Treseder’s Mam]

I'm not sure what media outlets you refer to but it was fairly recognised the big players were remain and project fear was a thing , both sides spouted untruths that's politics, we would still be in Europe if Mr Corbyn had shown some enthusiasm , truth ,swallowed his pride and truly engaged with the remain arguments..and campaign.. once ideological gets in Labour's way ..

Daily mail, express, telegraph, the times, the sun. You know the media who pick the winners of every election and the widest circulated and most read newspapers in the country owned by billionaires who didn’t want the EU’s more fair tax laws.

I can’t believe anyone is still calling it project fear either. Anything from it in particular that isn’t true?

I’m still waiting for project complete bollocks to come true other than billionaires finding it easier to dodge tax.

[the other bob wilson]

Daily mail, express, telegraph, the times, the sun. You know the media who pick the winners of every election and the widest circulated and most read newspapers in the country owned by billionaires who didn’t want the EU’s more fair tax laws.

I can’t believe anyone is still calling it project fear either. Anything from it in particular that isn’t true?

I’m still waiting for project complete bollocks to come true other than billionaires finding it easier to dodge tax.

How many of Blair’s three election wins saw Labour endorsed by the Murdoch press? At least two of them I’m sure.

[JamesWales]

Daily mail, express, telegraph, the times, the sun. You know the media who pick the winners of every election and the widest circulated and most read newspapers in the country owned by billionaires who didn’t want the EU’s more fair tax laws.

I can’t believe anyone is still calling it project fear either. Anything from it in particular that isn’t true?

I’m still waiting for project complete bollocks to come true other than billionaires finding it easier to dodge tax.

Here's an article on the Daily Mail website urging people to vote Remain: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...R-Britain.html

It's called project fear, because stuff they predicted would happen, ya know...didn't happen. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b00006e9aed9f1

What fairer tax laws are you talking about?