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It seems the bigger Clubs are getting bigger and the so-called smaller Clubs are just fodder. Two examples Liverpool 9-0 Bournemouth and now Dundee Utd 0-9 Celtic. Is it the right way to let those Clubs have a Super League and let the rest get on with a chance of being the best in the League they play in?
The game it seems is losing its appeal for the fan who isn’t a championship chaser.
No.Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
Liverpool 9 Bournemouth 0 was a freak result. Such a scoreline has only been achieved four times in the history of the Premier League.
It’s football. These things happen from time to time in every league in the world.
This. We shouldn't make grand changes over freak results, although as a follower of Scottish football I do feel like something needs to be done, but thats based on decades of results and a huge and widening gap between the old firm and the rest.
It is, alas, the case in much of Europe. We are lucky in English football to traditionally have had a very competitive league. France was similar, as was Germany and Italy, but Spain has been dominated by two teams, Portugal by three, Greece by three, Netherlands by three etc etc etc.
I do think the link between national teams and leagues is important, and the whol pyramid of football, with promotion and relegation and qualifying for europe works. That said, would I really object to a Nordic league where Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark combined? Would a joint Dutch and Belgian league really be so bad? Would I mind a British league? An Alpine league for Switzerland and Austria? If they retained promotion and relegation and qualifying for Europe then I'd be okay with it.
I'm not saying I want that, but I am open minded to it and it may help bridge the gaps a bit. Other than that, we really need to reign in the Champions League a bit, so I object to nearly every change made to it in recent years which have overwhelmingly benefited richer teams.
Indeed.
Bayern's league results so far this season: 6-1, 2-0, 7-0, 1-1.
PSG's league results so far this season: 5-0, 5-2, 7-1, 1-1.
Liverpool's league results so far this season: 2-2, 1-1, 1-2, 9-0.
Didn't Spurs batter Bristol Rovers 9 nil , probably late seventies ?
As to should the big boys piss off and form a super league yes , the sooner the better
I am not sure that the supporters of those clubs that attend on a regular basis (i.e. season ticket holders, etc) would appreciate playing in a super league, as they have already expressed when the idea was leaked out before.
I don’t think its right that we should lump the ordinary fans of clubs in with this sort of nonsense. Invariably it it the ‘foreign’ owners of these clubs that run roughshod over the history that has taken decades for clubs to build up domestically. Or owners of certain clubs that keep on ignoring any idea of sustainability when running up massive debts in order to maintain the idea that they are deserving of something special in the European elite. Again, ignoring the fact that if it wasn’t for the ‘lesser clubs’, they would not be at the pinnacle.
These type of owners only see the massive World tv rights on offer, where armchair fans are prepared to pay per view as if it is a pre-season game played in the far east, and just ignore the fact that playing ‘lesser clubs’ is part of the history that made the clubs what they are, just so the owners can line their own pockets.
I would be willing to bet that once the tv audience get bored of seeing the same teams repeatedly playing each other, with no excitement or thrill of promotion/relegation, and the tv money dries up, the owners will want to come back, with some BS excuse such as that the ‘lesser teams deserve to play us’.
My point is… were we happy when we went to Red? I don’t think so, yet fans of other clubs were quick to point out that it was us fans that ‘sold out’, not the owners.
What about Liverpool's other results this season?
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You are probably right but I can see Man City handing out some right hammerings this season.
Maybe, but the last two sides to win 9-0 in the top flight were Man Utd under the great OGS and Leicester City.
I don't understand why any Cardiff City supporter would think this.
That's the question you asked wasn't it ?
We have got no chance of ever being a top 6 big club , the best we can hope for is a second rate Premier league ......if that's what you are arguing for
The big clubs are only interested in money and status so yes , I hope they piss off and join big clubs from Germany, Spain etc
It's a logical process as far as I am concerned
Yes but even second rate Premier League teams have to play the ‘big clubs’. Isn't that what it is all about ? Whats the point otherwise. Might as well scrap the whole league system. How would the so called ‘second rate’ Premier teams ever improve if they didn't play better teams. Theres nothing logical about your point at all. It is just the politics of envy.
I agree with dml1954 entirely.
This is a very special moment for me.
Me too!
I hated the clubs and idea of a SL when they were going that way. So did most (if not all) of their supporters (I'm talking ST holders and the like here). I remember the discussions on here at the time.
I'm still p*ssed off at them not being 'punished' and that we didn't get the shake up the FA promised (no surprise) but life's too short to hate on other clubs and anyway, what would be the point of it all if they split off? The same thing will happen with the next set up, and so on and so on.
I'd truly be done with the football if these clubs left. I remember thinking that they should b*gger off and then changed my mind when I thought it through.
I'm no fan of the PL and the money people but at the end of the day, it's still always just 22 players and a ball on a park.
I used to get worked up about this stuff but now I just enjoy the football.
Last edited by Citizen's Nephew; 28-08-22 at 17:05. Reason: Just woke up from a nap
It's weird right? It's happened to me.
I knew that it had to happen eventually !
The first 9-0 result in the Premier League was in 1995. Sometimes it just happens.
Until the football rules are changed and the finances of clubs are properly monitored there will never be a level playing field.
Football is basically bent the higher up the pyramid you go the more bent it is.
I've said the plastics should have a super duper league for years now. Let them play one another 4 times per season and let the rest of us get on with it
Get on with what ? Aspire to achieve nothing and just accept mediocrity ? Great.
If the plastic feckers, fecked off, it would give other teams an incentive to win the Premier league, and not just be cannon fodder. Like we were in our two extremely disappointing seasons in the Prem. If you took away Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Man Utd, Liverpool and Sports Washing Utd, you'd have Brighton top with Leeds 2nd and Brentford 3rd! Surely that is better than the same old, same old winning things. Before you mention it, yeah I know Sports Washing Utd haven't won anything of note since the Fairs cup in 1969 but they soon will with all the money being pumped into the club.
I hear you. I hear Sludge. Life's unfair. Seriously, I'm p*ssed with how unfair life is. However, we'd have to give up all sport. football and the game as we know it if we're to fight this stuff once and for all. I don't have that fight in me anymore. Even a few years ago I had more energy for this stuff and like Sludge would have been happy to see the whole thing come crashing down.
I watch non league footy. I go up to Cardiff Met and follow the the Cymru Premier. I go to women's football. I never watch MOTD. I never listen to pundits, ever. I don't go on Twitter. I'll find any football anywhere to go and watch rather than support the FIFA WC in Qatar. I read When Saturday Comes, The Mauve and Yellow Army and stuff on here with the occasional WOL article. That's it these days. The occasional article in The Guardian but I can't stand their football writers. That's as much as I can do otherwise I'm stuck inside, rocking and dribbling in a corner of a darkened room.
A very wise Blue Genie from Taunton once told me that if I ignore all this other stuff I'll be fine. It was in response to me stating I have a Love/Hate relationship with football. It's been a lot easier for me personally, since I took that advice.
Ironically, if you canvassed the fans [the ones who actually go and watch their team in person] of both the top PL clubs and the other 85 or so league clubs, I bet percentage-wise there would be more advocating a breakaway super league from the 85. If the top clubs in Europe can't get their fans on their side, we'll still end up with a super league in all but name. Why do you think the 5 subs rule came in and stuck ? The top 6 PL clubs could field a second string in the PL for three quarters of games and still finish comfortably in the top half - even more convincingly in the other big European leagues. No worry about 'qualifying for Europe', they'll already be there with another 12-16 clubs, playing their best players in matches hyped throughout the Western and more significantly, Eastern World. They'll get richer and richer, with a guarantee of European money every year. Sad, but look at Golf and F1. It's money, not sport.
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