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Anyone with any view different to yours makes you feel sick. Which is all the more reason why things like this shouldn't be tolerated.Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
And most things that impact upon the lives of people in Wrexham have not been Tory run since 1997, which is another thing I hate about all this - it's just a total distraction.
FFS Sludge, quit being so divisive all the time. Clearly it's not good. Just like a load of Linfield players having '**** Sinn Fein' on their boots is totally unhelpful.
People suffering because of the government’s ineptitude and you say they can’t vent their feelings. Comparing it to racist, what I believe was rugby, chanting is so low and completely out of order. Government’s in the free world are insulted and, sometimes, complimented, and long may it continue as long as there isn’t violence, which is predominantly an extreme right wing thing. Give your head a wobble, stamped out? Get over yourself man.
You really have no clue. Your comparisons are utterly ridiculous, and it was no distraction, they won 3-1
It's only different for you because it's the people you hate having hatred sung at them by a small number of bigots.
You couldn't care less about any division or hurt or ill feeling caused as long as your tribe get to express hatred.
Just leave your bigotry out of football. There are plenty of communities who have reasons to dislike numerous political parties. Perhaps you should look a bit more closely at Wales? Bringing onto the terraces is not remotely positive.
People like you want division not unity. Leave it out. You and Sludge are exactly the kind of people who would be drunkenly singing about catholics and protestants at Celtic and Rangers games..you just don't see it and think it's all okay and a laugh.
ffs jameswales clutching his pearls again. He'll be claiming gammon is a race again next.
A Tory moaning about people being divisive. You couldn’t make it up.
Yes, because thats what it is. Perfectly understandable Wrexham wouldn't want to be associated with bigoted stuff like that
I'm not sure why you are so desperate to insult people based on their skin colour, but crack on if thats your thing. Bit behind the times I'd say.
with all due respect James it is incumbent on all of us to hold governments to account, and whilst we don't have a first amendment right, we do have plenty of case law that allows us to criticise our governments freely. There is also nothing which says that harsh language cannot be used either, if it is fitting.
This man exercised his right, and has done nothing wrong. You cannot claim to be a liberal minded individual and then get upset over someone expressing themselves in a way they deem appropriate.
The more pressing issue is that politics has been brought into sport, and that is something that we shouldn't really push for.
And your comparison with racist chanting is a little wide of the mark. Racist chanting of any and every kind can make sections of the crowd feel unwelcome, intimidated and may result in them not returning. Call me old fashioned if you want, but having "**** the Tories" on your boots isn't quite the same league.
Let me get this straight. Austerity, stagnating wages, lowering living standards, brexit (remoaners, traitors, enemeies of the people) = not divisive.
Saying **** the tories = racist and divisive.
"F*ck the Tories" and chants against Boris Johnson at football games are recent developments. Why have they been appearing in the last year or two? Could it be that a lot of people feel driven to things like that by twelve years of a Government that has seen living standards decline for the sort of person who formed the traditional football audience down the years? We've had years and years of "culture wars" that have been fermenting division with the help of the Conservative party and their media lapdogs. They want division and they can hardly complain if some on the other side of the argument choose to show their disaffection by chanting at football matches - I'm just surprised that things have not got more serious than that.
Don't forget 'Strivers Not Scivers!' and positive discrimination of disabled people by the government and its edicts.
Austerity happened the world over. Labour also proposed it in their 2010 manifesto - lenders wouldn't have lent to the UK without it. You think wages in the UK would be rising by 10%+ with a different govt right now?
If there were chants at football labelling people traitors it absolutely would be divisive, just as this is.
Usually there is at least a nugget of link to football in these things; "Eng-er-land is full of shit" at English clubs. "Does your boyfriend know you're here?" when playing Brighton etc.
It's infantile and offensive, but at least linked to football. This is rank sectarianism, nothing to do with football used by a bunch of people seeking to insert their own politics into a sport by insulting half the population. Like I said, I saw it in Brussels with some Yes Cymru guys who it looked to me viewed the whole trip as a recruitment opportunity.
It's not progressive, it causes division and people shouldn't be okay with it.
Or do we want some northern clubs chanting about Labour supporting grooming gangs? Do we want Celtic singing about the IRA? Do we want Linfield shouting **** sinn fein? It's ugly, hateful ignorance and it doesn't surprise me who is in favour of it.
Wrexham are right to condemn it IMO.
Things have got more serious than that. We've had two MP's murdered in 6 years. Constant death threats sent to them, entrenchment of ideas that fail to recognise alternative viewpoints and the insertion of toxicity online for years. I don't think this kind of thing has anything to offer football.
you are overreacting.
Am I? Or is it sensible to try and nip sectarian political chanting in the bud in football?
bingo
but you forget the CCMB Rule, Labour = good , Tories = Bad, once you get your head around that, this place make more sense
Chanting "Boris is a ****" may be offensive to some (I count at least two swearwords), but its factual, hardly sectarian, and given politicians are transient, hardly enduring.
You are welcome to your opinion, as am I. I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm just pointing out that your train of thought has stalled in the station.
Really?bingo
but you forget the CCMB Rule, Labour = good , Tories = Bad, once you get your head around that, this place make more sense
I'm more inclined to vote Tory than Labour but even I can see this is a storm in a teacup.
Yes at no point am I suggesting that no one is not entitled to their opinion. Quite the opposite in fact. People should feel welcome at football matches irrespective of their beliefs or any other characteristics they may possess. That's entirely my point.
Can people who hate Tories attend football matches too?
Yes, people who hate all sorts of groups in society can. Doesn't mean it's a good thing that they all start singing about how much they hate groups of people who have no connection to football though.
You are an embarrassment JW
The only person defending your pathetic ego driven arguement is another raving tory
We all know that in this country sectarianism in football relates to the extremists of Northern Ireland
To suggest a little scribble on a pair of football boots is the same sort of thing is absolutely ridiculous and you are embarrassing yourself
Your only support on this thread has been a fellow tory
You are keeping on and on with tory love in just a few weeks after you told everyone you were voting Labour
This is cringeworthy stuff
Welsh people who vote Tory make absolutely no sense whatsoever to most of usbingo
but you forget the CCMB Rule, Labour = good , Tories = Bad, once you get your head around that, this place make more sense
If I am disagreeing with arguably the most hate filled person on here, then I must be doing something right.
Sludge, Yes, were there a general election a few weeks ago, I'd have voted Labour. My vote is always up for grabs. It doesn't mean I want to see abusive political chants at football matches.
And sectarianism DOES NOT just refer to Northern Ireland. That is absolutely not true. It's the prime example, but not the only.
As I say, you are okay with hatred as long as it's directed at who you hate. Thats what it seems to be. Imagine if everyone had that approach.
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