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Who knows eh? Most will know they have to deal with Tan who wants to try and get back the millions he’s lost through his own shambolic decision making over the years, or Dalmans, take your pick…..if you were selling your house and every agent told you it’s worth 250k, your not going to get 350 are you…even though you want it.Originally Posted by Dave Blue
I believe the main problem as noted by the OP is Dalman and Choo, both only less than part time in running the Club. Tan for some reason has a mental block in seeing how they run the Club which is worse than a Sunday League Club. Until he moves those two on and gets people in who know the day to day runnings then things will stay the same.
With all due respect your last sentence may represent the way you and some others feel and thats fair enough and I get why you feel that way.
But Neil Warnocks promotion season nowhere near the passion of the Dave Jones era and before. That just isnt true of our fan base as a whole.
There have been incredible atmospheres and passion shown home and away.
Its pretty shit at the moment due to the team and our lowly league position.
Ultimately everything comes down to what happens on the pitch.
The atmosphere and noise in the Ninian Stand has deteriorated over the years though. I dont know if thats because those wanting to stand and sing have moved to the Canton.
The Tan argument really centres around whether he is willing to admit that mistakes have been made in the past by the non-footballing side, rather than just blaming the footballing side management.
All transfers are the responsibility of the Transfer Committee, so if Tan feels like he’s been hoodwinked into overpaying, then he should ensure that he’s getting better advice, rather than repeating the same cycle - perhaps a Director of Football would help…? 🤔
Who else to replace Tan as owner? Well, these things are always kept out of the public domain and all my gazillionaire friends are busy with other things. Seriously, though, I’d love to see a consortium led by Bale and including other local heroes, but that’s probably a dream.
Whilst the achievements and financial support under Tan cannot be ignored, the fact that we are in relegation trouble - again - changing managers regularly and no publicly declared plan, philosophy or regular fan engagement is more than a cause for concern.
Swansea are the polar opposite of us. Their owners are not very forthcoming on the financial side, but in every other way they are years ahead of us and it’s embarrassing.
Happy that we have an owner who's been happy to chuck money at the club for years.
Not happy that he continues to employ people to run the club who don't appear to have a clue how to.
Yes, I did. 6th biggest debt in PL, owed mainly to their owner.
The ideal scenario is someone with serious money and a real interest in taking the club upwards purchases the club and we move forward.
I very much doubt that will happen anytime soon. I doubt theres serious interest.
Unbelievably some people think Sam could buy us back.🤣🤣🤣
The play-off final in 2010 was hardly a pipe dream.
Let me ask you a question: had you ever heard of Vincent Tan before he got involved with City?
Its like going back 15 - 20 years. Even David Sullivan is getting mentioned again.
What nonsense.
In 2006/07 we led the Championship for months and were well in contention for a playoff spot until a disastrous end of season run.
In 2008/09 we needed 2 points from our last 4 games to finish in the playoffs having also been in the running for automatic. We missed out.
In 2009/10 we got to the playoff final and lost.
In 2010/11 we led the division for a while and got to the playoffs again, but lost.
There's a common reason why we failed to go up during this time and it wasn't to do with funding. We had a policy of paying high wages and little in transfer fees but we still spent well. There's no doubt at all in my mind that we should have gone up during this time, when we arguably were in a better position to stay up with the players we had and the football we played.
The “you have to bring a solution” argument is bullshit. I don’t need to come in with a new buyer to see the shit he’s done to our club.
No your correct to see the shit hes done.
But we still need a buyer and someone to pay off all the debts and run the club.
I dont see us moving forward until hes gone and the club is taken over though.
Who knows maybe someone will come in.
As far as I'm concerned, it's just a weird standpoint. After all, how many of us had heard of Vincent Tan before he got involved with City? Furthermore, how many of the current Premier League and Championship football club owners had any of us heard of before they got involved in the sport?
Some genuinely seem to believe that this old Malaysian fella is the only rich bloke out there who has any interest in the idea of owning a Championship club. I guess they think City will simply fold when he eventually turns his toes up.
I’m not sure I’d look at our playoff record like it’s a badge of honour….isn’t it won 3 ( when we won promotion to this league) lost 9 or something? I guess it shows some success moving forward but almost anything could after the previous 25 yrs….pre 2003
Why should a new buyer have to pay for Tans debts? They won’t pay an extra 50 million will they? He just won’t be able to sell us….
What debts? There are none. It is all payable to Ta....oh wait.
Apparently, according to a few on here if there was interest then we should all know about it. Despite what you say being absolutely correct. Most owners are well down th3 road to owning a club before anybody has heard of them.
And Dalman.
Lets hope thats the case then and a sale really is imminent.
That's exactly what I meant.
The excuse of 'its fine, it is all payable to Tan' is suddenly no longer the case.
The debt to equity and debt free under Tan dream cannot be realised while money is owing to companies outside of Tan's own money.
Why do we owe Dalman £30 million anyway? That’s a lot of debt to suddenly build up? Doesn’t Tan always say he keeps putting money in last few yrs, so which is it because it surely can’t be both that would mean the club is being run far worse than I thought possible if they are both chucking in millions each month
I agree with this statement - without Tan we would be in the same state as Bury
They (Wrexham) have Shaun Harvey as the DoF, and they have Humphrey Kerr as the 'Owner's man on the Board'. He's there to see that Rob and Ryan's money is spent properly, and that the business is looked after. In effect, he is their equivalent of Ken Choo or Mehmet Dalman - he's a guy that they can trust, to keep their best interests at heart. In Cardiff's case, Vincent Tan will take their advice over anyone else's. And that's all well and good. In business, you need guys you can trust.
The difference is, of course that 1. We don't have a Director of Football, and 2. Humphrey Kerr has taken the time and effort to learn everything he can about the game, and about the club. I'm not sure you can say that about Dalman, who didn't even take the time to get to know the new manager.
We have to get real. The club has so much debt nobody will buy it. It took Newcastle a few years to sell their club and they are a much better bet than us. The reality is that CCFC is unaffordable unless Tan is willing to accept a hefty loss which is unlikely. We may not be able to accept Tan's decisions but we cannot afford to live without him. Whatever people think he is an honourable man and could have walked away from the club before racking up millions of his own personal debt. He needs great credit for that in my book.
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